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I think many people (especially Europeans) are still lost at what American culture image vs reality is like.
I don't think there is a shortage of:

Europeans who feel themselves empowered to pass judgement on an entire nation and culture based of a 2 week vacation where they ate exclusively in fast food places and spent half of that time at Disneyland. (Presuming they've even been there.)

Americans who confuse any form of critical thought expressed by a foreigner with "America bashing".
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Why would you expect the Us education system to be similar to that of Canada's?

You mean in the same way that geographic proximity would dictate that Britain's education system must be very similar to Denmark's?
I think that geographic proximity and shared language accounts for more similarity between the US and Canada. Lots of shared borders between big countries. If you live in a border state, you could share more with the people right across the border than someone in the same country thousands of km away. Also shared media, and the ease with which academics (as least they used to) move between US and Canada.
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Old 21.03.2017, 11:26
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I had sort of a broad experience when it comes to the US educational system. I went to rural public school, exclusive boarding schools (including a year with Donald Trump Jr.), private religious schools, alternative schools, community college, and state university. I'm thankful every day that my kids get to go to school here.
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I had sort of a broad experience when it comes to the US educational system. I went to rural public school, exclusive boarding schools (including a year with Donald Trump Jr.), private religious schools, alternative schools, community college, and state university. I'm thankful every day that my kids get to go to school here.
Yeah. Mine was pretty typical for a middle class kid. I went to public through high school, private uni, both public and private grad, and my husband's taught at private and public unis. I worked for a public university hospital. My husband now teaches at a uni here, and we are glad to be here.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I had sort of a broad experience when it comes to the US educational system. I went to rural public school, exclusive boarding schools (including a year with Donald Trump Jr.), private religious schools, alternative schools, community college, and state university. I'm thankful every day that my kids get to go to school here.
That explains where the snobby elitism comes from.
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Old 21.03.2017, 11:40
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I think that geographic proximity and shared language accounts for more similarity between the US and Canada. Lots of shared borders between big countries. If you live in a border state, you could share more with the people right across the border than someone in the same country thousands of km away. Also shared media, and the ease with which academics (as least they used to) move between US and Canada.
The US is Canada's biggest trading partner and only neighbour. Over 76% of exports. One of the things that Canada exports is (academic) talent. It is a fact of life in Canada that it is almost impossible to isolate yourself from the US. In most academic fields, and a great many professional ones, your opportunity often lies south of the border. Few US professionals need to contemplate moving to Canada - their indigenous market is large enough that it isn't very common.
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Old 21.03.2017, 11:53
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That explains where the snobby elitism comes from.
Why such a chip on your shoulder?
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Old 21.03.2017, 11:56
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That explains where the snobby elitism comes from.
Given the rest of the educational history I would say it contributed to a balanced view of academia more than pushed him into "snobby elitism". Was I the only one that noticed the "rural public schools" and "community college" in his list?

It speaks volumes about you and your attitudes to education if you only picked up on the "exclusive boarding school".

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Was I the only one that noticed the "rural public schools" and "community college" in his list?
No.

Most telling for me is that Principia has seen pretty much every level and type of education on offer in the US, and still prefers the Swiss system.
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Old 21.03.2017, 12:04
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Given the rest of the educational history I would say it contributed to a balanced view of academia more that pushed him into "snobby elitism". Was I the only one that noticed the "rural public schools" and "community college" in his list?

It speaks volumes about you and your attitudes to education if you only picked up on the "exclusive boarding school".
I think there is a bit of reverse (?) snobbery. Private school is something that a lot of people in North America only know from movies--and reserved for the super rich. Of course, it is a bit more common in Switzerland for kids to be going to private school--and in NA, of course-not all are super rich :P


Personally (for the sake of disclosure), I went to a rural public school (as in the free one down the street next to the farm), public university, community college, and an elite Uni.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I'm noticing a recurring theme with you here. Constantly attacking the source and the people delivering the message instead arguing against the message itself. What's that called again?
"ad hominem"
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That explains where the snobby elitism comes from.
Pot, kettle, black
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Old 21.03.2017, 13:05
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No.

Most telling for me is that Principia has seen pretty much every level and type of education on offer in the US, and still prefers the Swiss system.
Which does not make that person a person who reserved an only credible pov, nor his choices as only credible choices.

In general, no matter how great, private or public (is public schooling a sign of poor quality, and private better? At all times?) schooling people went to, shooting down opposition in an unproductive, discreditting, unconstructive way is not a sign of something good reatined from any kind of schooling.
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Which does not make that person a person who reserved an only credible pov

All right, I give up. You keep using this word pov.


What is a pov?
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Old 21.03.2017, 13:20
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All right, I give up. You keep using this word pov.


What is a pov?
Point of View.
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All right, I give up. You keep using this word pov.


What is a pov?
It's what we elitists called poor people.
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All right, I give up. You keep using this word pov.


What is a pov?
An acronym for Privately owned vehicle
POV is also a term used to classify a pornographic movie in which the filming is done by one of the actors!
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Which does not make that person a person who reserved an only credible pov, nor his choices as only credible choices.

In general, no matter how great, private or public (is public schooling a sign of poor quality, and private better? At all times?) schooling people went to, shooting down opposition in an unproductive, discreditting, unconstructive way is not a sign of something good reatined from any kind of schooling.
And who decides what's unconstructive here? We all have our own experiences and opinions, and different ways of expression. Lots of shooting down from all sides.

Private is not necessarily better than public, btw. It just shows a range of different experiences.
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Which does not make that person a person who reserved an only credible pov, nor his choices as only credible choices.
Nor does it give anyone the right to judge him as "snobby elite" based on the fact that part of his education was, for want of a better word, "privileged".

Nobody actually said that his was the only credible opinion, either, so stop gaslighting all the posts that you don't happen to agree with.
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I think that geographic proximity and shared language accounts for more similarity between the US and Canada. Lots of shared borders between big countries. If you live in a border state, you could share more with the people right across the border than someone in the same country thousands of km away. Also shared media, and the ease with which academics (as least they used to) move between US and Canada.
yes, but totally different political situations. And school-level education is often a political beast, both in terms of topics covered and teaching methods employed, and in terms of how much funding is provided.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

And of course, as usual, some concepts get lost in translation.

Public school in the USA is a very different thing from Public Schools in the UK (which are the traditional 'Top' and most exclusive private schools, like Eton.

But I totally agree that the concept of 'better or best' is very fluid- and will differ hugely from person to person- and depends on culture and local circumstances. Lots of Private Unis or Grande Ecoles in France and USA- none in the UK (well a couple of American ones), none in Switzerland.

As a teacher in 4 different state comprehensive schools in the UK- I was very aware that teachers in the private sector were often there because they were very poor teachers with serious discipline problems with the kids. A few were there because of the longer holidays ...

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