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POV is also a term used to classify a pornographic movie in which the filming is done by one of the actors!
Pretty sure it is any sort of film from one actor's viewpoint, but as always, thanks for sharing your expertise
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Nor does it give anyone the right to judge him as "snobby elite" based on the fact that part of his education was, for want of a better word, "privileged"
He admitted himself that "public education system in the US is a disaster and while there are some excellent private schools and colleges, those benefit a mere fraction of the population, mostly those who can afford it"

He then informed us that he was privileged enough to attend "exclusive boarding schools" and meanwhile disparaged all the "mouthbreathers" who weren't so lucky to receive such an exclusive education.

That's why I called him out for his snobby elitism. Tough titty.
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POV is also a term used to classify a pornographic movie in which the filming is done by one of the actors!
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Pretty sure it is any sort of film from one actor's viewpoint, but as always, thanks for sharing your expertise
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Old 21.03.2017, 13:57
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He admitted himself that "public education system in the US is a disaster and while there are some excellent private schools and colleges, those benefit a mere fraction of the population, mostly those who can afford it"

He then informed us that he was privileged enough to attend "exclusive boarding schools" and meanwhile disparaged all the "mouthbreathers" who weren't so lucky to receive such an exclusive education.

That's why I called him out for his snobby elitism.
I must have missed him using "mouthbreathers", and apparently so did the search function.

Care to enlighten us all so we can book our tickets for the witchburning?
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Those bloody angry and uneducated deplorables!

When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?!
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Basically, that's the gist of it but more like "When will this, the least educated and most bigoted voting block in modern times, admit they've been had by an incompetent liar who's milking the presidency for all its worth?" but as long as they find solace and support in internet echo chambers of like minded mouth breathers who consider ignorance a virtue we'll probably be waiting a while.
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Old 21.03.2017, 14:14
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Sure.
First, his term was "mouth breathers". You may think it pedantic, but it is more practical than that. If you quote someone else's argument, then getting the quote right makes it easier to follow what the hell is going on.

Second, Principia was doing something other than sneering at people who haven't been to an elite university.

But if you think it's ok to misrepresent what someone else says to make your straw man attack simpler, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

No elite Uni here. Just trying to be careful to differentiate between sound discussion, and a sound bite spinning wheel.
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He admitted himself that "public education system in the US is a disaster and while there are some excellent private schools and colleges, those benefit a mere fraction of the population, mostly those who can afford it"

He then informed us that he was privileged enough to attend "exclusive boarding schools" and meanwhile disparaged all the "mouthbreathers" who weren't so lucky to receive such an exclusive education.

That's why I called him out for his snobby elitism. Tough titty.
Maybe he worked his ass off and got a scholarship.
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First, his term was "mouth breathers". You may think it pedantic, but it is more practical than that. If you quote someone else's argument, then getting the quote right makes it easier to follow what the hell is going on.

Second, Principia was doing something other than sneering at people who haven't been to an elite university.

But if you think it's ok to misrepresent what someone else says to make your straw man attack simpler, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

No elite Uni here. Just trying to be careful to differentiate between sound discussion, and a sound bite spinning wheel.

Did you miss the part, after he knocked their education, where I sarcastically said "When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?" and he began his reply with "Basically, that's the gist of it"

I consider that elitism but we can agree to disagree.
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Of course, it is a bit more common in Switzerland for kids to be going to private school
In reality private schools are rarely used by the locals. It's rather errorprone to extrapolate from EF or expat circles to the locals, assuming that's what you did.

In 2009/10 5.4% of all pupils in Kt. Zürich in the mandatory years went to private schools (4.8% in 1995).

It's good to see that, contrary to those foreigners who're utterly ignorant on US culture, you know the country you live in inside out.

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Old 21.03.2017, 15:49
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Did you miss the part, after he knocked their education, where I sarcastically said "When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?" and he began his reply with "Basically, that's the gist of it"

I consider that elitism but we can agree to disagree.
I don't want to put words in Principia's mouth, but I think the point he was trying to make was not that thinking should be left to the elite who know better, but rather that a great many have been misled into thinking that Trump has saved them from an evil elite.

Trump doesn't have some magic wand which will suddenly fill the rust belt with blue collar jobs, no matter how loud the crowd chants "Down with them high highfalutin college boys!".

He may have displaced an elite which was out of control, it remains to be seen what kind of elite he uses as a substitute.
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Trevor Noah- just love this guy (maybe because like many in our family, a mix of ZA and Swiss):

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I don't want to put words in Principia's mouth, but I think the point he was trying to make was not that thinking should be left to the elite who know better, but rather that a great many have been misled into thinking that Trump has saved them from an evil elite.
You don't have to put words in his mouth as he's already written what he thought:

"When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them''
"Basically, that's the gist of it"

If I read it correctly he is saying that we know what is better for those uneducated Trump supporters than they know themselves. Pretty sure that's elitism.
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Huh?!
I think you're being a tad naive there. If you scratch the surface, many, if not most of us have lots of friends and family in the US that we converse with on a regular basis.
...and unfortunately almost all of them have the same impressions on the education system, Trump etc as Principia Discordia.
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In reality private schools are rarely used by the locals. It's rather errorprone to extrapolate from EF or expat circles to the locals, assuming that's what you did.

In 2009/10 5.4% of all pupils in Kt. Zürich in the mandatory years went to private schools (4.8% in 1995).

It's good to see that, contrary to those foreigners who're utterly ignorant on US culture, you know the country you live in inside out.
Wow Chemmie- where do you live- in a Zurich expat bubble? In the 11 villages that surround me, there is not a single kid who goes to private school. Even in the local bigger town- a private school closed a couple of years ago as they couldn't get students. The % of kids who go to private schools there is tiny, and almost exclusively expats who work for a couple of international firms- often with limited contracts and intentions to return to UK or US. Some go to alternaive schools like Montessori or Steiner for a few years. When I was a kid here, I had 2 friends who went to private Catholic schools in Fribourg or Valais - because parents couldn't cope with them, and out of sight, out of mind (and who had plenty of money) - for both it was a disaster. Of all the professionals here, be they doctors or lawyers, or business owners, some quite large and with huge budgets- not a single of their kids go to private school, not one.
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You don't have to put words in his mouth as he's already written what he thought:

"When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them''
"Basically, that's the gist of it"

Is he not saying that we know what is better for those uneducated Trump supporters than they know themselves?

If he is, i'm pretty sure that's known as elitism.
@Principia???

(I understood him as saying that the uneducated Trump supporters aren't smart enough to figure out that they have been duped. That is, to my mind, not elitism.)
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Wow Chemmie- where do you live- in a Zurich expat bubble? In the 11 villages that surround me, there is not a single kid who goes to private school. Even in the local bigger town- a private school closed a couple of years ago as they couldn't get students. The % of kids who go to private schools there is tiny, and almost exclusively expats who work for a couple of international firms- often with limited contracts and intentions to return to UK or US. Some go to alternaive schools like Montessori or Steiner for a few years. When I was a kid here, I had 2 friends who went to private Catholic schools in Fribourg or Valais - because parents couldn't cope with them, and out of sight, out of mind (and who had plenty of money) - for both it was a disaster.
By all means I was never implying (or stating) that more Swiss people go to private school. It was that I personally have come across a far greater amount of instances living here. And yes the Zurich expat bubble is a major contributor to that--(not really shocking or noteworthy to me, but apparently to others this needs to be emphasized).
In 30 years living in the most populated (and arguably wealthiest) region of Canada, I only came across a few cases of Private schooled persons---and oddly enough, they went to private school in Switzerland. Swiss private schools are fairly well known worldwide, and judging by the number of schools, vs the landsize and population of Switzerland--it's definitely notable that one will bump into more instances here (regardless if they are kids of expats or from Cunter GR )
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@Principia???

(I understood him as saying that the uneducated Trump supporters aren't smart enough to figure out that they have been duped. That is, to my mind, not elitism.)
Like those Trump supporters who also only see what they want to see
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Nor does it give anyone the right to judge him as "snobby elite" based on the fact that part of his education was, for want of a better word, "privileged".

Nobody actually said that his was the only credible opinion, either, so stop gaslighting all the posts that you don't happen to agree with.
When people say that somebody is an authority on an issue because he went through all the different schools, it is not me who exaggerates. I reminded those who also have other opinions that there is space for all. In fact it is opposite of "gaslighting" as you put it, in exaggeration.

Entitlement, pc, quotas and killing opposing povs, squishing conflict by violence and prescribed rhetorics, instead of learning how to tolerate ambiguity and dissonance (creating oppressive "safe spaces" where people only accept one opinion) in fact, destroys the schools these days and quality education.
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(I understood him as saying that the uneducated Trump supporters aren't smart enough to figure out that they have been duped. That is, to my mind, not elitism.)
I agree, what you've written isn't elitism.

But I think what the way he began his response to my sarcastic remark was an example of elitism:

"When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?''
"Basically, that's the gist of it"

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I agree, what you've written isn't elitism.

But I think what he wrote is:

"When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?''
"Basically, that's the gist of it"
Lol.

Now you're putting words in his mouth. Principia didn't write "When will those plebs realize that we know what's best for them?'', someone else did. As far as I remember it was.... you.

Have a rare smilie while we wait for Principia to clarify what the hell he meant:
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