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Ha ha ha. I was reading that they'll have to scale it back so the moderate Reps will support it. And then it will add to the deficit or whatever, so it's sort of a steaming pile of excrement. And if the Reps can't get this through, they will have a hard time getting anything done because constituents are starting to complain and the congress folk are worried about re election.

I'd be worried about my constituents more than the Orange one.

And then Diane Feinstein made some mysterious comment about Trump leaving...she's on the judiciary committee....so who knows?
You mean "Dianne Feinstein suggested the President would quit before he was potentially forced out of office"
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Maybe she is just talking without any basis, Washington is such a leaky ship that such discussions would be reported everywhere.

If they scale back the healthcare bill then they risk a strong Conservative backlash.
Anyway this first major Bill is important for Trump so I doubt they will vote it down?
Of course, Congressional elections are next year so if millions will really lose health cover then.....
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Old 21.03.2017, 21:29
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I was inviting other opinions as equally valid. That is, a pretty democratic move.
Yeah, but not all opinions are equally valid, are they?
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Christ almighty, is it really that hard to sustain a basic argument without making shit up? You wrote something to the effect of "those bloody angry and uneducated deplorables" to which I responded "that's basically the gist of it" followed by a whole bunch of other words you clearly missed.

We can agree to disagree as to how angry Trump voters are but his primary voting base is compromised primarily of white males without higher education. That's undeniable, if you want to call it elitism or snobbery, feel free. I'm not particularly educated, but unlike a great deal of Trump supporters, I trust professionals and scholars when it comes to making decisions in their fields of expertise, I don't demonize them or call them "elites" any more than I would a highly trained doctor or pilot.
You have no idea what you are talking about, here is an article From a left leaning website Dont forget they are talking in % of voters, for example 49% of white college graduates voted for trump which is more than hillarys 45% the other 6% of white college graduates vote for neither.... but have in mind that only the number of white college graduates WHO VOTED define the importance of those numbers.

Trump owes his win to Whites regardless of education or gender, but to say or imply that somehow "uneducated" white hetero males are to be "blamed" for Trump winning smells like racism and man-hating... and yes i know i seem to be projecting a lot, but i am taking the way Trump and his followers are abused in the media into context.

I am not forgetting even for a second the way that the mainstream media slandered Trump and how they jump at every chance to stain his reputation.

And dont get me started on the authoritarian attitude that the elites seem to be taking against opposing ideas.


Oh and by the way, never trust a political pundit, they are by no stretch of the imagination "experts", most of them just sit at home and tweet... doing polls in the vacuum of followers provided by the logarithms of social media(only people with the same interests will be able to participate on the polls).

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Old 21.03.2017, 21:46
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You have no idea what you are talking about, here is an article From a left leaning website Dont forget they are talking in % of voters, for example 49% of white college graduates voted for trump which is more than hillarys 45% the other 6% of white college graduates vote for neither.... but have in mind that only the number of white college graduates WHO VOTED define the importance of those numbers.

Trump owes his win to Whites regardless of education or gender, but to say or imply that somehow "uneducated" white hetero males are to be "blamed" for Trump winning smells like racism and man-hating... and yes i know i seem to be projecting a lot, but i am taking the way Trump and his followers are abused in the media into context.

I am not forgetting even for a second the way that the mainstream media slandered Trump and how they jump at every chance to stain his reputation.

And dont get me started on the authoritarian attitude that the elites seem to be taking against opposing ideas.


Oh and by the way, never trust a political pundit, they are by no stretch of the imagination "experts", most of them just sit at home and tweet... doing polls in the vacuum of followers provided by the logarithms of social media(only people with the same interests will be able to participate on the polls).
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54% of college educated white men and 72% non-college educated white men voted for Trump.
The majority of non-college educated white women (64%) voted for Trump,
So your statement " "uneducated" white hetero males are to be "blamed" for Trump winning" seems to on the right lines
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Old 21.03.2017, 21:58
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54% of college educated white men and 72% non-college educated white men voted for Trump.
Doesn't that mean majority of college educated white men voted for Trump?
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You mean "Dianne Feinstein suggested the President would quit before he was potentially forced out of office"
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Maybe she is just talking without any basis, Washington is such a leaky ship that such discussions would be reported everywhere.

If they scale back the healthcare bill then they risk a strong Conservative backlash.
Anyway this first major Bill is important for Trump so I doubt they will vote it down?
Of course, Congressional elections are next year so if millions will really lose health cover then.....
i don't know. Who matters more? Constitutents or the creamsicle? The issue is that moderate Republicans are worried about being booted out of office if they screw over their voters and leave them without health care. I gather that the Republican party is not a cohesive group and I don't think Trump generates huge amounts of loyalty. (Democrats are lost too)

But, the really conservative hardliners don't like what the recently proposed changes mean for the budget. So it could be a battle.

I would love to see just a bit of a deadlocked Congress, even with a Rep majority. Not sure it will happen, but I can dream. At any rate, I'm glad the moderates are at least thinking about their constituents.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I ran the numbers provîded 2016 USA GE Wikipedia article, and when getting the percentages out of the totals i get the following numbers:

Trump white male votes 29,274,551 versus Hillaries 14,404,938
And on the White female votes i get 26,800,838 for Trump versus Hillaries 21,744,076.

That means that more white women voted for Trump than voted for Hillary.

Whites constituted 70% of all votes(95,668,466 out of 136,669,237).

As expected it is impossible for me to find how many educated white males or **females voted for either... something tells me it was conveniently edited out by the feminist Wikipedia editaton.


EDIT: I do not know if Trump is going to be good, but i can say he was treated unfairly by the mainstream media while Hillary was given not only a free pass, but also the chance to coordinate with them.

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The official results of the 2016 Presidential election will be available from the Federal Election Commission sometime in mid-2017.
too bad that the official election data will not be available until around june. source:https://www.usa.gov/election-results#item-213262

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Old 21.03.2017, 22:29
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Doesn't that mean majority of college educated white men voted for Trump?
The discussion was about " "uneducated" white hetero males are to be "blamed" for Trump winning"!

40 percent of working-aged Americans now hold a college degree, according to a new report from the Lumina Foundation and 54% voted for Trump so in total 21.6% of all white males voted for Trump.

60 percent of working-aged Americans do not hold a college degree and 72% voted for Trump so in total 43.2% of all white males voted for Trump.
So it seems the votes of "uneducated" white hetero males was a major factor.
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too bad that the official election data will not be available until around june
Depending on the results of the FBI investigation, data might not be the only thing/one that's not around in June.

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The discussion was about " "uneducated" white hetero males are to be "blamed" for Trump winning"!

40 percent of working-aged Americans now hold a college degree, according to a new report from the Lumina Foundation and 54% voted for Trump so in total 21.6% of all white males voted for Trump.

60 percent of working-aged Americans do not hold a college degree and 72% voted for Trump so in total 43.2% of all white males voted for Trump.
So it seems the votes of "uneducated" white hetero males was a major factor.
But the majority of college educated white men still voted for Trump right?

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I ran the numbers provîded 2016 USA GE Wikipedia article, and when getting the percentages out of the totals i get the following numbers:

Trump white male votes 29,274,551 versus Hillaries 14,404,938
And on the White female votes i get 26,800,838 for Trump versus Hillaries 21,744,076.

That means that more white women voted for Trump than voted for Hillary.

Whites constituted 70% of all votes(95,668,466 out of 136,669,237).

As expected it is impossible for me to find how many educated white males or **females voted for either... something tells me it was conveniently edited out by the feminist Wikipedia editaton.


EDIT: I do not know if Trump is going to be good, but i can say he was treated unfairly by the mainstream media while Hillary was given not only a free pass, but also the chance to coordinate with them.

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too bad that the official election data will not be available until around june. source:https://www.usa.gov/election-results#item-213262
"he was treated unfairly by the mainstream media "
Unfairly? Indeed he was, he got enormous amounts of free publicity that all the other candidates had to pay for!

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump
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Depending on the results of the FBI investigation, data might not be the only thing/one that's not around in June.

Would you all prefer butter or sugar+cinnamon with your popcorn?
Are they still investigating hillary?

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Unfairly? Indeed he was, he got enormous amounts of free publicity that all the other candidates had to pay for!

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump
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Hmmm i wonder if the Rachel Maddow scandal is what you are referring to by calling it "free publicity"... i mean everybody likes when your enemies are showing your tax returns on national television...with the most favorable commentary that is.
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Hmmm i wonder if the Rachel Maddow scandal is what you are referring to by calling it "free publicity"... i mean everybody likes when your enemies are showing your tax returns on national television...with the most favorable commentary that is.
Read the article. Written nearly a year ago. Every thing Trump did during the campaign was reported by msm. Huge name recognition, top of mind stuff. It was like a train wreck - people couldn't look away and then they were fascinated.
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Are they still investigating hillary?
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Hmmm i wonder if the Rachel Maddow scandal is what you are referring to by calling it "free publicity"... i mean everybody likes when your enemies are showing your tax returns on national television...with the most favorable commentary that is.

You really are asleep aren't you?
You claimed "he was treated unfairly by the mainstream media [during his campaign]" and now you claim "the Rachel Maddow scandal" was during his campaign
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Luckily we do not have to guess, there are international studies here.

International assessments for school children show the USA to be average or below average; surprisingly always a lot behind Canada which one might expect to be similar.

Similar for adults (except Canada comment), see graphic
This is an interesting chart. Why are we so ahead of the US, when there are little finances put into schools, teachers make as much as the cleaning team, the resources are scarse but people train in thinking. Because it is not the state finances, I think, that at the end create the edu environment. There are quality demands but also it is a community thing. People do not wait with hands stretched out for gov to take care of stuff, the security situation is largerly self managed, too..the tensions are not quickly interpretted as social injustices and there is very little victimhood culture despite us being totally rap..sorry, occupied by (*fill in as you please - Austrians, Germans, Swedes, Russkies..). I think as long as folks have some explanation as per as why things don't work (not their fault), they might not be so keen to take the responsibility for their own knowledge? I also think that some groups might be deliberately instigating, motivating this feeling of hurt without really wanting to repair and move on, help, and even when they know that at the end the mindset is not helping the hurt population to progress and prosper.
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You really are asleep aren't you?
You claimed "he was treated unfairly by the mainstream media [during his campaign]" and now you claim "the Rachel Maddow scandal" was during his campaign
Ah ok, i get it now the mainstream media was nice to him before, it is just now that they are starting to really getting in there. Thanks i just opened my eyes, everytime they said that the guy was racist and misogynistic they were going out of their way to compliment him.
And all the airtime that the "grab them by the p*sseh" soundbyte got, was free "publicity".
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Ah ok, i get it now the mainstream media was nice to him before, it is just now that they are starting to really getting in there. Thanks i just opened my eyes, everytime they said that the guy was racist and misogynistic they were going out of their way to compliment him.
And all the airtime that the "grab them by the p*sseh" soundbyte got, was free "publicity".
Sigh.......

Question; Where did I write the mainstream media was nice to him?
Answer; Never, so do put words in my mouth

Think about the following ""I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right."
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Think about the following ""I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right."
...or there's no such thing as bad publicity.

I love all this haggling about percentages. It's all guessing at best and bollocks at worst.
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You mean "Dianne Feinstein suggested the President would quit before he was potentially forced out of office"
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Maybe she is just talking without any basis, Washington is such a leaky ship that such discussions would be reported everywhere.

If they scale back the healthcare bill then they risk a strong Conservative backlash.
Anyway this first major Bill is important for Trump so I doubt they will vote it down?
Of course, Congressional elections are next year so if millions will really lose health cover then.....
Lots of tweets around that some Democrats believe Trump's wiretap tweets are sufficient grounds for impeachment due to criminal defamation.

Sounds a bit thin to me and criminal defamation is not well defined in US law!
Of course the Democrats could try; anyway the history is in the US the majority of impeachment investigations have failed.
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