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Being a "woman" is not sufficient qualitification to be a head of state.
Try to say that in the US. And, it does not have even have to on any campus anymore these days.

And, a person doesn't have to be a good president just because he comes from a token minority, either. The identity politics supporters voted Obama in but would never vote say an Asian person in, me thinks. You see the cherry picking everywhere.
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Maybe they found nothing useful? or maybe Trumps security team was able to prevent it? They still have only stated that "HOS cannot order a wiretap".
So you don't believe the FBI's findings that there was no surveillance, then?

Even the WH accepts this now, which is why they then threw the spotlight on GCHQ, which has also been officially rebuked.

I don't know what "HOS" is, sorry.

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Being a "woman" is not sufficient qualification to be a head of state.
What's that got to do with anything? You said Trump's not stupid, I replied that "not being stupid" is not necessarily a qualification.

"Being an elephant" is also not sufficient qualification and is about as valid as your reply above.
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... the faster we can prosecute Hillary the better.
Are you even American?
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Being a "woman" is not sufficient qualitification to be a head of state.
What does that have to do with Trump? What I don't understand about Trump fanboys like yourself is how you build this saintly cult of personality around DT, then respond to any criticism of DT with 'but hillary!..'
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He is speaking for world peace.
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There are reams of scholarly papers to the contrary, all of the citing empirical evidence.
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.... if Trumps privacy was indeed violated, it would be incredible that Obama or his Surrogates had nothing to do with it.
That's subjective. I believe it would be far more likely that a foreign government or business rival would be the culprit, but we'll see soon enough...

Reminds me of when the MI6 building in London was being built and nearing completion, it was discovered that one of the site foremen had very close ties to the IRA. The entire building interior had to be stripped back to the bare brick in case listening devices had been planted in the walls.
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Try to say that in the US. And, it does not have even have to on any campus anymore these days.

And, a person doesn't have to be a good president just because he comes from a token minority, either. The identity politics supporters voted Obama in but would never vote say an Asian person in, me thinks. You see the cherry picking everywhere.
Which is funny in a way because I doubt that Obama has ever identified himself with the token minority (deep down and separated from what is good for the public and what the public wanted him to be).... And rightly so.
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What does that have to do with Trump? What I don't understand about Trump fanboys like yourself is how you build this saintly cult of personality around DT, then respond to any criticism of DT with 'but hillary!..'
I was wondering that too.

The answer is that they have a deep obsession and love for the strong woman Hillary, she is always on top of their thoughts and they have to keep writing her name like schoolboys scratch on their desks!

Sadly for them sooner or later they will have to suck up the fact that she lost the election.
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The identity politics supporters voted Obama in but would never vote say an Asian person in, me thinks.
Wow! You honestly think it was that shallow?

I remember the talk around Obama long before he was a candidate. My boss at the time, met Obama at a dinner event in 2003 and was raving about him the day after. I remember saying to him... "America will never elect him because his name sounds too much like Osama. I don't give a shit how good his C.V. is...It's never going to happen!" I was wrong and those words were thrown back in my face numerous times over the next 5yrs.
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Old 22.03.2017, 11:27
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Maybe they found nothing useful? or maybe Trumps security team was able to prevent it? They still have only stated that "HOS cannot order a wiretap".

Being a "woman" is not sufficient qualitification to be a head of state.
You keep ignoring the formal DOJ statement "DOJ has asked me to share with you that the answer [no information that supports those tweets] is the same for the DoJ in all its components"
Why, is it too uncomfortable for you to face?

Or do you believe Trump's pick Ellison for head of DOJ would approve a statement that was not true?
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Old 22.03.2017, 11:28
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Which is funny in a way because I doubt that Obama has ever identified himself with the token minority (deep down and separated from what is good for the public and what the public wanted him to be).... And rightly so.
It got him voted and he took the ride. I think representing the token minority was the reason he actually did take the ride for. I do not think, despite the opinion of the anti Trump camp (they do keep refering to potential and eventualities, degrees a president issupposed to have, etc), that his presidential skills were any better than Trumps.

While we are this "token" topic - I had an interesting debate once. It was suggested that female participants should lift their hands up, irrespectively of actually having anything relevant to say. So, by the means of quotas, pretending the attempt to asssure everybody gets heard, they infact directly discredited all the females participants. Because people would expect the chicks to be just exercising their right to lift their hand up (banality) vs actually having an opinion.

That is what identity politics does. Obama, being voted in for token reasons has wrecked it for the token minority, for a long time. Hillary - would be the same. How good they are or not is irrelevant. The opressive, simplistic mindset of identity politics and opression olympics is damaging the token minorites the most.

Trump might turn out to be a joke..But. One thing is obvious, he does not represent a token. People will just have to see what will come out of it all. It is democratic and if it does not suit, it is up to the people of the USA to get up the snuff with efficient ways to change their election system.

I do not see people being busy creating efficient ways to change what they dislike. I see a lot of inefficient violence and semantics. (And knitting yeah, but knitting is always good).
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Name me one CNN pundit who is not a race-baiter... Name me one who is openly against antifa...
Even if true, WTF has antifa got to do with "extreme left wing"? Do you even know what "antifa" is? I'll help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism

Read the history and think about the parallels with where alt-right are moving today.

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Not only do they control the Mainstream media at the moment, but they are beginning to infiltrate the videogame industry for example look at Manveer Heir who is a racist and an apologist for the left.
I never realised that games should be regarded as news media (and news media is surely what we should be talking about here).

Basically you are treating anything to the left of Breitbart as being "extreme left", aren't you. Given none of the above even remotely count, I'm still waiting for your list of names of "extreme left" in high positions in the mainstream [news] media.
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There are reams of scholarly papers to the contrary, all of the citing empirical evidence.
Randomness does not exist. Meaning, people seem to evaluate Trump's decisions as random. They base their impression on info that they filter out of whatever is out there, media, their own beliefs, hopes..

I actually think that is the biggest error in trying to understand Trump. Or anyone who suceeds. To treat him as a failure is self dillusional. It is understandable and logical, I know why it is happening.

It is better for anyone to interpret this high political game as apriori anti-random.

He is pretty strategic, leaves people live in their "randomness" theory. It is not dumb. Worked a charm before.
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There is the vague psychological idea that many people need to hate--it is part of the mind's balance. Only through defining evil and bad people to hate, they can identify themselves as good people and righteous! (Also perhaps why Superhero movies have been a huge hit in the last decade)


Of course nowadays it is not acceptable to hate, and groups who have historically faced hate, are now very socially protected (with good reason of course).


So you have the masses with no 'hate' outlet, and the growing trend to hate irrelevant topics and groups that have had it easy (simplistically put): The rich white male.


Which is good for the masses, as they finally have a 'socially acceptable' hate outlet, which everyone can get together as a community to hate together and feel righteous, as the good guy!
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Are you even American?

Yes i am Half American, the dominican republic is in the carribean...which is part of America........ and unstability of the middle east affects me personally.


Hillary used her gender to promote herself, i found it Fitting to point out it is not necesary qualifications.... since the other poster talked about "sufficient qualifications".
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Randomness does not exist.
Reading your rambling posts, I would beg to differ.
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There is the vague psychological idea that many people need to hate--it is part of the mind's balance. Only through defining evil and bad people to hate, they can identify themselves as good people and righteous! (Also perhaps why Superhero movies have been a huge hit in the last decade)


Of course nowadays it is not acceptable to hate, and groups who have historically faced hate, are now very socially protected (with good reason of course).


So you have the masses with no 'hate' outlet, and the growing trend to hate irrelevant topics and groups that have had it easy (simplistically put): The rich white male.


Which is good for the masses, as they finally have a 'socially acceptable' hate outlet, which everyone can get together as a community to hate together and feel righteous, as the good guy!
I have to say, and not to put down any culture (it is actually intriguing for me), but I do not come from a place where extreme emotions are valued. They are suspitious, if anything. Spontaneity and savage hedonism - yes. But not hate/love in absolutes, for anything. We do not even say "I love you" ever in a family (we love but keep it intimate, I guess), I have never heard anybody say he hates somebody. It is considered extreme and exaggerated, selfserving. Simplistic. The truth is always somewhere in a complex condition and complicated setting. So are emotions. It is never love vs hate. This stoicism and cynicism is not dumb, great humor but gets stuffy and stagnant too. It is a form of protection, me thinks. West is courageous and idealistic, I like that. Conflicted.

So the theory of folks needing to hate, I don't buy it. People need opinions. They need to create their own. Long term, they do not keep opinions that they themselves have not processed and developed. Authenticity is essential. To hate because you filtered yourself some info that feeds this long term antipathy..is either short term or inauthentic, adopted. Then people should ask themselves why they are holding onto such level of antipathy longterm, if it is authentic or if it suits sb else's agenda.
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So the theory of folks needing to hate, I don't buy it. People need opinions. They need to create their own. Long term, they do not keep opinions that they themselves have not processed and developed. Authenticity is essential. To hate because you filtered yourself some info that feeds this long term antipathy..is either short term or inauthentic, adopted. Then people should ask themselves why they are holding onto such level of antipathy longterm, if it is authentic or if it suits sb else's agenda.
I think if you look at the trend in US politics over the last 30 years you will find that the middle ground has become increasingly barren. People don't seek out contrary opinions as a point to meditate on, but rather reject them outright, precisely because they don't conform to their own views.
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I have to say, and not to put down any culture (it is actually intriguing for me), but I do not come from a place where extreme emotions are valued. They are suspitious, if anything. Spontaneity and savage hedonism - yes. But not hate/love in absolutes, for anything. We do not even say "I love you" ever in a family (we love but keep it intimate, I guess), I have never heard anybody say he hates somebody. It is considered extreme and exaggerated, selfserving. Simplistic. The truth is always somewhere in a complex condition and complicated setting. So are emotions. It is never love vs hate. This stoicism and cynicism is not dumb, great humor but gets stuffy and stagnant too. It is a form of protection, me thinks. West is courageous and idealistic, I like that. Conflicted.

So the theory of folks needing to hate, I don't buy it. People need opinions. They need to create their own. Long term, they do not keep opinions that they themselves have not processed and developed. Authenticity is essential. To hate because you filtered yourself some info that feeds this long term antipathy..is either short term or inauthentic, adopted. Then people should ask themselves why they are holding onto such level of antipathy longterm, if it is authentic or if it suits sb else's agenda.
Of course 'hate' is a strong word---you definitely put it better not as absolute, rather opinions---some stronger than others.
Unfortunately, as society progresses and everyone's little opinion is now public domain, many feel the need to go for stronger wording to get their message above the billions of others.

Reading twitter/FB/OpEd/whathaveyou 'love' is used so nonchalantly, it really has lost its deep meaning--much like hate (alongside evil, racist, sexist, ignorant, uneducated, Nazi, fascist, corrupt, liar, ad nauseum).

On both sides of the political spectrum, supporters have been attacking the other side with increasingly extreme wordings to power their opinion--which for me deters the entire message--and in the end makes me ignore or disagree with their position entirely (regardless if it had merit in the first place or not). Almost in every case---it will go back to 'well xxxx person did it too to my supported candidate) and we're stuck in a he-said-she-said playground whine-a-thon for 300 odd pages.

Not that I'm complaining too much (without the aforementioned playground drama I can't feel good about myself for being better than that), it is all very entertaining to say the least!
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A Ukrainian lawmaker has published a document that he said ties Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, to attempts to hide a $750,000 payment from a pro-Russia political party.
Jason Maloni, a spokesman for Manafort, calls the allegations "baseless" and says they should be "summarily dismissed."
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As the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said *there is a grey cloud hanging over Trump's administration". This cloud needs to be dispelled or criminal activities proven; the FBI investigation has been running since July and needs to be finalised!
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