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Trump is probably not evil. He's shallow, ill prepared, self absorbed. He relies on people who seem to care little about the American people - Bannon, Miller, Price and Sessions, probably Ryan. Listening to Price talk about health care did give me a touch of outrage. I said Trump was a jerk and I stand by it. A jerk is not necessarily evil.


And you know what - what is wrong with outrage when it's channeled into productive activism.

Do I have to tiptoe around now and be nice about Trump? Only if he becomes a member of EF, i think. Then maybe. Or I would just ignore him. But it's difficult to ignore the US right now because I know many people who are seriously worried about their futures - people in education, elderly people, people in health care, in research and chronically ill folks.
Ideas can be dangerous. And I agree: ideas come from both sides of the political spectrum.

Ideas are different from expressing an opinion ie saying Trump is evil or not evil is a person's opinion. I don't think we should have any problem with that. I can easily sit with someone who holds either opinion. I agree: no one should feel they have to tip-toe about that. If someone said that to me, I would interpret as someone expressing their deep distaste of the man, so not dangerous, just an opinion. I have deep distaste for the man but I wouldn't call him evil. Doesn't mean I am right or wrong if we have or express an opinion.

Opinions start to matter or have consequence because of who says them, ie DJT's lying or bullsh@tting because he is the president. Before that we could say "yeah we know he lies all the time but who cares?" He means nothing to me but now he means a lot to me.

So if the pope were to say that DJT is evil...I'd start to worry

So keep on expressing your opinions or concerns about DJT.
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And for some humour, the feud between Donald Trump and Arnold Schwarzenegger continues.
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What goes around comes around?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Maybe Gorsuch will be a good Supreme Court pick?
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As the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said *there is a grey cloud hanging over Trump's administration". This cloud needs to be dispelled or criminal activities proven; the FBI investigation has been running since July and needs to be finalised!
Good to see there is an interest to invest the cash it swallows everyday, in more reasonable issues: infrastructure, sidewalks, school books.
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That is what identity politics does. Obama, being voted in for token reasons has wrecked it for the token minority, for a long time. Hillary - would be the same. How good they are or not is irrelevant. The opressive, simplistic mindset of identity politics and opression olympics is damaging the token minorites the most.

Trump might turn out to be a joke..But. One thing is obvious, he does not represent a token. People will just have to see what will come out of it all. It is democratic and if it does not suit, it is up to the people of the USA to get up the snuff with efficient ways to change their election system.
You could argue that the white working class to lower-middle-class, middle-aged white male is the one minority nobody has stood up for so far and the one minority that is not organized in any meaningful way. By consequence, it was the one minority everybody else could get away with blaming for everything. Trump is not part of that group by any stretch (in the same way that Obama's similarity to the urban African-American community didn't go much further than his skin pigmentation). But in both cases people looked over the obvious differences and saw them as natural leaders.
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Yes i am Half American, the dominican republic is in the carribean...which is part of America........
Huh?!! So Haiti is American? British Virgin Islands are American? Sint Maarten is American? Really?

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You could argue that the white working class to lower-middle-class, middle-aged white male is the one minority nobody has stood up for so far and the one minority that is not organized in any meaningful way.
Russian Revolution? French Revolution? etc...
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You could argue that the white working class to lower-middle-class, middle-aged white male is the one minority nobody has stood up for so far and the one minority that is not organized in any meaningful way. By consequence, it was the one minority everybody else could get away with blaming for everything. Trump is not part of that group by any stretch (in the same way that Obama's similarity to the urban African-American community didn't go much further than his skin pigmentation). But in both cases people looked over the obvious differences and saw them as natural leaders.
That's why neither of them will get well represented...Identity politics wrecks it both ways.


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Trump is not part of that group by any stretch (in the same way that Obama's similarity to the urban African-American community didn't go much further than his skin pigmentation). But in both cases people looked over the obvious differences and saw them as natural leaders.
Totally agree with that!
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Huh?!! So Haiti is American? British Virgin Islands are American? Sint Maarten is American? Really?

That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
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That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
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That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
I merely posed the question. It's up to pilatus1 to clarify if it meets his definition in the context of the that he posed to you.
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After the FBI testimony.

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That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
I know this is a popular argument, but it's generally accepted linguistically that the word America refers to the USA (regardless of the Etymology of the form of word)


The rest of the countries in North and South America are generally referred to as 'The Americas'.


Not to be pedantic, but little things like this that make communication more effective--which is the entire point of language developement
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I generally use the term "North America", but I take etefan02's point.

You can't see US affairs in isolation. Not even their internal affairs, when the place is your closest neighbour and largest trading partner.

Kind of pointless to call for Hillary to be put behind bars, or Trump to be impeached, from outside the US proper. But in the same way as Europe is concerned about the next round of elections in France, for example. What goes on in the US affects the nations closest to it first, and if the effects are negative, then also for a longer period (generally speaking).
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I think if you look at the trend in US politics over the last 30 years you will find that the middle ground has become increasingly barren. People don't seek out contrary opinions as a point to meditate on, but rather reject them outright, precisely because they don't conform to their own views.
It has been a long process, of course. Intolerance to cynicism and logical negativity that critical thinking comes with creates this overbearing pressure to conform. To expect conformism of others, too, as a sign of support and cognitive loyalty (even when there is a subconscious disbelief, to belong to a groupthink is still more rewarding). Smile therapy, that is now turning into "hate with us". Or, "I am a girl, hear me A) snowlake, B) bug everyone with stories how it is ok to be unkept C) roarrr and knit ugly pink hats". Lol. BLM? Let's burn some cars together and get rid of cops so there is more opportunity to destroy the communities, schools and neighbohoods of our families and kids.

I am glad I know strange enough chicks in the US who aren't like this. Academics who have enough self integrity to stick to the notion of work and merit. Minority friends who come from all spectrum of political opinions and share.

I watched a short film with people of cca 13 cultural backgrounds yesterday. It was a good exercise: a yank chick tries to help a grieving man who she meets on a bus stop. The reactions were interesting, mine, too: "Go away, you pesky group think being, I need to pay hommage to my deceased Mom" (that would be me), to "Thanks for making my day better by making me smile and forget Mom". This push to have people conform to our idea of info/emotion processing, love/hate with us, (don't be sad nobody wants to deal with your grief, let's go skating to Rockeffeler center instea)...is a big cultural split. I do not think it boils down to personal styles. It shows culture's readiness to accept personal differences. Tolerate. Not just merely make people conform under a pretext of diversity (resctrictively defined, and requesting the same opinion, actually).

Controversy, conflict, weirdness - is a good thing. The minute it is used as a bad word, just shows somebody does not give a right to somebody else to be different. I am suprised that the US, priding itself on a diversity trip and spending huge amount of cash on diversity measures, cannot accept too much of non-cookie cut opinions. The liberty of opinions, the space for far fetched theories and creativity, for ideas that do not follow the prescribed protocol, has been reduced.

I think Trump is ok - he is a weirdo. A hard working weirdo.

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Of course 'hate' is a strong word---you definitely put it better not as absolute, rather opinions---some stronger than others.
Unfortunately, as society progresses and everyone's little opinion is now public domain, many feel the need to go for stronger wording to get their message above the billions of others.
Would you say everybody thinks they are the experts? The world needs to know? So then later they can (without chipping in) point fingers and say "I told ya" and feel like gratifying work has been achieved?

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Reading twitter/FB/OpEd/whathaveyou 'love' is used so nonchalantly, it really has lost its deep meaning--much like hate (alongside evil, racist, sexist, ignorant, uneducated, Nazi, fascist, corrupt, liar, ad nauseum).

On both sides of the political spectrum, supporters have been attacking the other side with increasingly extreme wordings to power their opinion--which for me deters the entire message--and in the end makes me ignore or disagree with their position entirely (regardless if it had merit in the first place or not). Almost in every case---it will go back to 'well xxxx person did it too to my supported candidate) and we're stuck in a he-said-she-said playground whine-a-thon for 300 odd pages.

Not that I'm complaining too much (without the aforementioned playground drama I can't feel good about myself for being better than that), it is all very entertaining, to say the least.
Absolutely. I also notice that the balance of personal attack on a person not having the same opinion from the left/Trumpists - is not the same.

I see progressives fall more for the "you are mean/dumb" instead of saying "i disagree", or "i don't understand". Why? Even here in the thread the Trump oponents seem to go after the messengers..pro Trump camp seem to mostly leave out the messenger. Why would anti Trumps offend/insult more? Why even the need to do that?

Love/hate is a bit semantic..but extreme emotions are disingenuous, frequently, me thinks.
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I generally use the term "North America", but I take etefan02's point.

You can't see US affairs in isolation. Not even their internal affairs, when the place is your closest neighbour and largest trading partner.

Kind of pointless to call for Hillary to be put behind bars, or Trump to be impeached, from outside the US proper. But in the same way as Europe is concerned about the next round of elections in France, for example. What goes on in the US affects the nations closest to it first, and if the effects are negative, then also for a longer period (generally speaking).

I am not mixing both, someone tried to insinuate that i am not allow to have an opinion because i am not murican, and it is funny because the entire world is being bombarded with how racist, islamophobic and misogynistic Trump is.... do you expect me not to have my opinion? Taking into consideration that Political correctness is becoming a problem in the Entertainment industry?


To summarize, this is a topic that may affect the media that i consume, including censoreship by the left in areas such as Youtube, Gaming, Cinema and even Music.


You guys are very hypocritical, you denounce nationalism but you employ nationalistic tactics when it suits you.


And America is America... United States OF America.


If you Keep using the same language employed by James Monroe but you still feel the urge to criticize nationalists than you are a hypocrite.
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There are plenty of Americans who would love to see him impeached BUT ....

the candidates for his replacement aren't really promising either.
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I know this is a popular argument, but it's generally accepted linguistically that the word America refers to the USA (regardless of the Etymology of the form of word)


The rest of the countries in North and South America are generally referred to as 'The Americas'.


Not to be pedantic, but little things like this that make communication more effective--which is the entire point of language developement
Unless the European or Swiss is making a negative evaluation of the "Culture" of one-of-those-countries-which-isn't-America (certainly the case for Canada). It isn't universally so, but it does happen fairly regularly.

Here is a simple test: the next time someone trots out the fact that Americans can't find most European nations on a map, ask them to name most of the States, or even simpler, some of the the Provinces of Canada. Or just draw the border between the US and Canada, even approximately.
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I know this is a popular argument, but it's generally accepted linguistically that the word America refers to the USA (regardless of the Etymology of the form of word)


The rest of the countries in North and South America are generally referred to as 'The Americas'.


Not to be pedantic, but little things like this that make communication more effective--which is the entire point of language developement


xD I have never in my life heard someone refering to America as "the americas", xD...like not even once.


And by the way it is a very big assumption to make if you believe that the rest of the Americans are entirely ok with people from the states hugging the name of the entire western hemisphere!


To me there is nothing more ignorant than Hearing "i am an American GOD DARN IT!!!"..... am i now considered an elitist? can i finally join the clan you guys?
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I know this is a popular argument, but it's generally accepted linguistically that the word America refers to the USA (regardless of the Etymology of the form of word)


The rest of the countries in North and South America are generally referred to as 'The Americas'.


Not to be pedantic, but little things like this that make communication more effective--which is the entire point of language developement
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That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
Toussaint l'Ouverture would turn in his grave to hear Domenican Rep/Haïti = America. He is buried very close to here, will soon be going to pay my respects on the 7th of April, the anniversary of his death at the hands of Napoleon for his lead in the fight for independance from French rule. He died on 7th of April, 214 years ago- at Château-de-Joux near Pontarlier- a Château many of you would have driven under many times. There are always a lot of Domenicans and Haïtians visiting on that day - and I am quite sure none of them would identify themselves as being 'American'.

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