I have yet to meet anyone from Canada, Mexico, South America, and the rest of Central America (minus yourself now) who would refer to themselves as 'Americans'.


I (and everyone else who is reading this) are well aware of the origin of the word and what the "A" in USA stands for--that's not the point. The point is in modern language--talking to normal human beings, If someone says they are American, or going to visit America, or the American President---the message conveyed is the USA.


Could there be instances where this is not the case? Of course! but I can guarantee if someone says the American President is female -- they could be correct (if referring to the Chilean president), but confusion will follow.


If you're still struggling with this concept, here's a few other pointers:
If you are blissfully happy on a date with the opposite sex, it's probably best not to tell them you're 'gay'.
If in a hardware store asking about a bundle of sticks, don't refer to the 'faggot' over there.

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I sincerely hope that you don't think I am objecting to you having an opinion, and also that you aren't calling me a hypocrite.

I think I object more to the former than the latter. Perhaps this is a Canadian thing.

It has been already brought up if you check US media. But it is hard to think that Trump would represent an opressed white middle class man. Is he feeding the victimhood aspect that is popular in the US mainstream? Is that what MAGA really means? It seems the opposite.

I am calling bullshit on your post. There is as much attacking on one side as the other. Enough.

Here we go again...

To etefan, do you actually refer to yourself in conversation as an "American?" As a US born "American" who interacts regularly with Canadians, I can guarantee that they would NEVER refer to themselves as "American." Not that they don't secretly wish they were

And as someone has already pointed out, it would be linguistically more correct to refer to one's self as from "the Americas" rather than as "American." And if you insist on using the term, would you not want to further clarify by using North/South? And if you are willing to go to that much trouble, why not just state that "I am from the Dominican Republic, which is part of the Americas. In fact, I am North American!"

MC did say "personal attacks," which I think makes an important distinction.

"I also notice the balance of personal attack on a person not having the same opinion from the left/Trumpists - is not the same."

This goes back to an earlier distinction between rhetoric and dialectic, or attacking the person and not the argument. I tend to agree that it appears to be so, but that is my opinion. I actually would be keen to see some analysis.

Typical conversation:

A. Are you American?
B. No, I'm Canadian.
A. Oh, I love Canada!

I've made my point. Next!

They are neither French or USA citizens, why would you care?

I don't think he's a weirdo, but he is a 9-5 Mon-Fri President with time to waste on Twitter and watching Fox News.
Can former travel agents have a go at this one? I'd say provinces of Canada is generally the most challenging task there, but with family in Winnipeg, Sault Ste.Marie, Buffalo and Port Elgin, I reckon I could have a good bash at drawing the border, and US states would be easy.

Back on topic?

It seems more dirt on the Trump team's dealings with the Russians is floating to the surface. This time it is Manafort, the former campaign chairman.

"Inside Paul Manafort's secret plan to 'greatly benefit the Putin Government'"

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ma...ernment-2017-3

Well, your evidence is inadmissible:

• Former Travel agent (need I say more?)
• Family in Canada (ok, Buffalo is an outlier)
• The 49th isn't hard... its the bit to the right of QC that stumps most.

I was ok until they did the Nunavut thing. Still have to look at a map to get that one right.

Have you never taken into consideration that they might have tried to acomodate your feelings? I mean canadians are known for their kindness... i also had frequent interactions with Canadians and i have not met the first one who is totally cool with unitedstatians calling themselves Americans.


In spanish we would either call them "Gringos" or "Estadounidense", and i know in french the correct term would be "États-unien".


We would only call them "American" if we are talking directly to them in order for them not be confused or scared.


Either way, the incredible conspiracy theory reminiscent of a cold war spy movie is gonna explode in the lefts face... and they are going to continue with their non stop implotion because they like to double down instead of correcting and accepting their mistakes.

I do think the left permit themselves to engage in personal attacks, ad hominem rhetorics more than their opponents. It should not be so considering the higher humanitarian ideals they are defending, it is not logical. I also think that the "you are mean" towards their opponents vs "this debate is low quality" coming from their oponents, is stereotypical. I do not wish to see it actually researched..cash wasted again, on something people can see fast. If they want to. The decision to accept presented info really does not depend on the quality of the info, but what a consumer wants to apriori believe. Media aren't evil. Trump is not evil. They give what people ask for.

Tbh, etefan - I understand why now people will proudly claim to be Americans (with that new president). Even when they aren't. Hahahahah. (I am not. And decided not to be, I support my nation, moi).

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I can draw the borders of Saskatchewan. All hail to my superiority!

It's about as rectilinear as they get. And you get double bonus points for spelling it right.

Which only proves that it is massively difficult to remain objective, whichever side of the political landscape you occupy.

If you were leaning over to the left side, you'd as likely be bleating about the right being nasty to you.

MC, we are all FULLY and ACUTELY aware that you find the left to be some obnoxious and homogeneous blob of political inconvenience as you have spent paragraphs and paragraphs informing us throughout this thread.

Do you think we can move on now? Pretty please?

The difference is, opinion is an idea. Idea is not nasty. If there are people who find an idea and emotion to be one thing, how can there be even a debate?

Why mock somebody, yet again, for having ideas? Why assign the guilt to them, because they "make us feel some way"?

Is this short enough?

There are too many non-liberal (whatever the heck that means) Americans who are disappointed in the performance of their President. If you start assigning labels to everyone who's angry at Trump, you'd run out of stickers.

The fact is the majority of people don't like Trump's performance and want him to either improve or leave. Unfortunately, as mentioned before, his predecessor may not be an improvement.

So what's a nation to do? Probably just wait it out and keep the damage to a minimum.

Nah it was not my intention include you in that last Statement, it is just i was told i cannot have an opinion on the politics of a country because i am not a citizen of said country..... and that happened 2 in the same thread, i was asked if i was french and i was also asked if i was American(which I imagined they meant it literally instead of coloquially) by people who subscribe mostly to an anti-nationalism pov.

You Need to stop stuffing yourself with those polls..... specially if they are not associated to right leaning associations(since any left leaning media outlet have lost much of their credibility on the topic of politics).