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xD I have never in my life heard someone refering to America as "the americas", xD...like not even once.


And by the way it is a very big assumption to make if you believe that the rest of the Americans are entirely ok with people from the states hugging the name of the entire western hemisphere!


To me there is nothing more ignorant than Hearing "i am an American GOD DARN IT!!!"..... am i now considered an elitist? can i finally join the clan you guys?


I have yet to meet anyone from Canada, Mexico, South America, and the rest of Central America (minus yourself now) who would refer to themselves as 'Americans'.


I (and everyone else who is reading this) are well aware of the origin of the word and what the "A" in USA stands for--that's not the point. The point is in modern language--talking to normal human beings, If someone says they are American, or going to visit America, or the American President---the message conveyed is the USA.


Could there be instances where this is not the case? Of course! but I can guarantee if someone says the American President is female -- they could be correct (if referring to the Chilean president), but confusion will follow.


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I am not mixing both, someone tried to insinuate that i am not allow to have an opinion because i am not murican, and it is funny because the entire world is being bombarded with how racist, islamophobic and misogynistic Trump is.... do you expect me not to have my opinion? Taking into consideration that Political correctness is becoming a problem in the Entertainment industry?


To summarize, this is a topic that may affect the media that i consume, including censoreship by the left in areas such as Youtube, Gaming, Cinema and even Music.


You guys are very hypocritical, you denounce nationalism but you employ nationalistic tactics when it suits you.


And America is America... United States OF America.


If you Keep using the same language employed by James Monroe but you still feel the urge to criticize nationalists than you are a hypocrite.
I sincerely hope that you don't think I am objecting to you having an opinion, and also that you aren't calling me a hypocrite.

I think I object more to the former than the latter. Perhaps this is a Canadian thing.
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Old 22.03.2017, 13:54
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You could argue that the white working class to lower-middle-class, middle-aged white male is the one minority nobody has stood up for so far and the one minority that is not organized in any meaningful way. By consequence, it was the one minority everybody else could get away with blaming for everything. Trump is not part of that group by any stretch (in the same way that Obama's similarity to the urban African-American community didn't go much further than his skin pigmentation). But in both cases people looked over the obvious differences and saw them as natural leaders.
It has been already brought up if you check US media. But it is hard to think that Trump would represent an opressed white middle class man. Is he feeding the victimhood aspect that is popular in the US mainstream? Is that what MAGA really means? It seems the opposite.
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It has been a long process, of course. Intolerance to cynicism and logical negativity that critical thinking comes with creates this overbearing pressure to conform. To expect conformism of others, too, as a sign of support and cognitive lotalty (even when there is a subconscious disbelief, to belong to a group think is still more rewarding). Smile therapy, that is now turning into "hate with us". Or, "I am a girl, hear me A) snowlake, B) bug everyone with stories how it is ok to be unkept C) roarrr and knit ugly pink hats". Lol. BLM? Let's burn some cars together and get rid of cops so there is more opportunity to destroy the communities, schools and neighbohoods of our families and kids.

I am glad I know strange enough chicks in the US who aren't like this. Academics who have enough self integrity to stick to the notion of work and merit. Minority friends who come from all spectrum of political opinions and share.

I watched a short film with people of cca 13 cultural backgrounds yesterday. It was a good exercise: a yank chick tries to help a grieving man who she meets on a bus stop. The reactions were interesting, mine, too: "Go away, you pesky group think being, I need to pay hommage to my deceased Mom" (that would be me), to "Thanks for making my day better by making me smile and forget Mom". This push to have people conform to our idea of info/emotion processing, love/hate with us, (don't be sad nobody wants to deal with your grief, let's go skating to Rockeffeler center instea)...is a big cultural split. I do not think it boils down to personal styles. It shows culture's readiness to accept personal differences. Tolerate. Not just merely make people conform under a pretext of diversity (resctrictively defined, and requesting the same opinion, actually).

Controversion, conflict, weirdness - is a good thing. The minute it is used as a bad word, just shows somebody does not give a right to somebody else to be different. I am suprised that the US, priding itself on a diversity trip and spending huge amount of cash on diversity measures, cannot accept too much non-cookie cut opinions. The liberty of opinions, the space for far fetched theories and creativity, for ideas that do not follow the prescribed protocol, has been reduced.

I think Trump is ok - he is a weirdo. A hard working weirdo.



Would you say everybody thinks they are the experts? The world needs to know? So then later they can (without chipping in) point fingers and say "I told ya" and feel like gratifying work has been achieved?



Absolutely. I also notice the balance of personal attack on a person not having the same opinion from the left/Trumpists - is not the same.

I see progressives fall more for the "you are mean/dumb" instead of saying "i disagree", or "i don't understand". Why? Even here in the thread the Trump oponents seem to go after the messengers..pro Trump camp seem to mostly leave out the messenger. Why would anti Trumps offend/insult more? Why even the need to do that?

Love/hate is a bit semantic..but extreme emotions disingenuous, frequently, me thinks.
I am calling bullshit on your post. There is as much attacking on one side as the other. Enough.
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Old 22.03.2017, 14:03
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Here we go again...

To etefan, do you actually refer to yourself in conversation as an "American?" As a US born "American" who interacts regularly with Canadians, I can guarantee that they would NEVER refer to themselves as "American." Not that they don't secretly wish they were

And as someone has already pointed out, it would be linguistically more correct to refer to one's self as from "the Americas" rather than as "American." And if you insist on using the term, would you not want to further clarify by using North/South? And if you are willing to go to that much trouble, why not just state that "I am from the Dominican Republic, which is part of the Americas. In fact, I am North American!"

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That is correct Haiti, Mexico, Canada, California and New York are all part of America.... Are you implying that only USA is American?
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Old 22.03.2017, 14:09
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

MC did say "personal attacks," which I think makes an important distinction.

"I also notice the balance of personal attack on a person not having the same opinion from the left/Trumpists - is not the same."

This goes back to an earlier distinction between rhetoric and dialectic, or attacking the person and not the argument. I tend to agree that it appears to be so, but that is my opinion. I actually would be keen to see some analysis.

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I am calling bullshit on your post. There is as much attacking on one side as the other. Enough.
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Old 22.03.2017, 14:10
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Typical conversation:

A. Are you American?
B. No, I'm Canadian.
A. Oh, I love Canada!

I've made my point. Next!
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They are neither French or USA citizens, why would you care?
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I think Trump is ok - he is a weirdo. A hard working weirdo.
I don't think he's a weirdo, but he is a 9-5 Mon-Fri President with time to waste on Twitter and watching Fox News.
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Here is a simple test: the next time someone trots out the fact that Americans can't find most European nations on a map, ask them to name most of the States, or even simpler, some of the the Provinces of Canada. Or just draw the border between the US and Canada, even approximately.
Can former travel agents have a go at this one? I'd say provinces of Canada is generally the most challenging task there, but with family in Winnipeg, Sault Ste.Marie, Buffalo and Port Elgin, I reckon I could have a good bash at drawing the border, and US states would be easy.
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Old 22.03.2017, 14:21
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Back on topic?

It seems more dirt on the Trump team's dealings with the Russians is floating to the surface. This time it is Manafort, the former campaign chairman.

"Inside Paul Manafort's secret plan to 'greatly benefit the Putin Government'"

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ma...ernment-2017-3
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Old 22.03.2017, 14:29
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Can former travel agents have a go at this one? I'd say provinces of Canada is generally the most challenging task there, but with family in Winnipeg, Sault Ste.Marie, Buffalo and Port Elgin, I reckon I could have a good bash at drawing the border, and US states would be easy.
Well, your evidence is inadmissible:
  • Former Travel agent (need I say more?)
  • Family in Canada (ok, Buffalo is an outlier)
  • The 49th isn't hard... its the bit to the right of QC that stumps most.

I was ok until they did the Nunavut thing. Still have to look at a map to get that one right.
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Here we go again...

To etefan, do you actually refer to yourself in conversation as an "American?" As a US born "American" who interacts regularly with Canadians, I can guarantee that they would NEVER refer to themselves as "American." Not that they don't secretly wish they were

And as someone has already pointed out, it would be linguistically more correct to refer to one's self as from "the Americas" rather than as "American." And if you insist on using the term, would you not want to further clarify by using North/South? And if you are willing to go to that much trouble, why not just state that "I am from the Dominican Republic, which is part of the Americas. In fact, I am North American!"

Have you never taken into consideration that they might have tried to acomodate your feelings? I mean canadians are known for their kindness... i also had frequent interactions with Canadians and i have not met the first one who is totally cool with unitedstatians calling themselves Americans.


In spanish we would either call them "Gringos" or "Estadounidense", and i know in french the correct term would be "États-unien".


We would only call them "American" if we are talking directly to them in order for them not be confused or scared.


Either way, the incredible conspiracy theory reminiscent of a cold war spy movie is gonna explode in the lefts face... and they are going to continue with their non stop implotion because they like to double down instead of correcting and accepting their mistakes.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I do think the left permit themselves to engage in personal attacks, ad hominem rhetorics more than their opponents. It should not be so considering the higher humanitarian ideals they are defending, it is not logical. I also think that the "you are mean" towards their opponents vs "this debate is low quality" coming from their oponents, is stereotypical. I do not wish to see it actually researched..cash wasted again, on something people can see fast. If they want to. The decision to accept presented info really does not depend on the quality of the info, but what a consumer wants to apriori believe. Media aren't evil. Trump is not evil. They give what people ask for.

Tbh, etefan - I understand why now people will proudly claim to be Americans (with that new president). Even when they aren't. Hahahahah. (I am not. And decided not to be, I support my nation, moi).
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I can draw the borders of Saskatchewan. All hail to my superiority!
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I can draw the borders of Saskatchewan. All hail to my superiority!
It's about as rectilinear as they get. And you get double bonus points for spelling it right.
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I do think the left permit themselves to engage in personal attacks, ad hominem rhetorics more than their opponents.


Which only proves that it is massively difficult to remain objective, whichever side of the political landscape you occupy.

If you were leaning over to the left side, you'd as likely be bleating about the right being nasty to you.

MC, we are all FULLY and ACUTELY aware that you find the left to be some obnoxious and homogeneous blob of political inconvenience as you have spent paragraphs and paragraphs informing us throughout this thread.

Do you think we can move on now? Pretty please?

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The difference is, opinion is an idea. Idea is not nasty. If there are people who find an idea and emotion to be one thing, how can there be even a debate?

Why mock somebody, yet again, for having ideas? Why assign the guilt to them, because they "make us feel some way"?

Is this short enough?
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The difference is, opinion is an idea. Idea is not nasty. If there are people who find an idea and emotion to be one thing, how can there be even a debate?

Why mock somebody, yet again, for having ideas? Why assign the guilt to them, because they "make us feel some way"?

Is this short enough?
There are too many non-liberal (whatever the heck that means) Americans who are disappointed in the performance of their President. If you start assigning labels to everyone who's angry at Trump, you'd run out of stickers.

The fact is the majority of people don't like Trump's performance and want him to either improve or leave. Unfortunately, as mentioned before, his predecessor may not be an improvement.

So what's a nation to do? Probably just wait it out and keep the damage to a minimum.
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I sincerely hope that you don't think I am objecting to you having an opinion, and also that you aren't calling me a hypocrite.

I think I object more to the former than the latter. Perhaps this is a Canadian thing.


Nah it was not my intention include you in that last Statement, it is just i was told i cannot have an opinion on the politics of a country because i am not a citizen of said country..... and that happened 2 in the same thread, i was asked if i was french and i was also asked if i was American(which I imagined they meant it literally instead of coloquially) by people who subscribe mostly to an anti-nationalism pov.
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There are too many non-liberal (whatever the heck that means) Americans who are disappointed in the performance of their President. If you start assigning labels to everyone who's angry at Trump, you'd run out of stickers.

The fact is the majority of people don't like Trump's performance and want him to either improve or leave. Unfortunately, as mentioned before, his predecessor may not be an improvement.

So what's a nation to do? Probably just wait it out and keep the damage to a minimum.
You Need to stop stuffing yourself with those polls..... specially if they are not associated to right leaning associations(since any left leaning media outlet have lost much of their credibility on the topic of politics).
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