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Old 22.03.2017, 15:16
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You Need to stop stuffing yourself with those polls..... specially if they are not associated to right leaning associations(since any left leaning media outlet have lost much of their credibility on the topic of politics).
Fox news and left leaning? Seriously?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...news-poll-315/
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Which only proves that it is massively difficult to remain subjective, whichever side of the political landscape you occupy.

If you were leaning over to the left side, you'd as likely be bleating about the right being nasty to you.

MC, we are all FULLY and ACUTELY aware that you find the left to be some obnoxious and homogeneous blob of political inconvenience as you have spent paragraphs and paragraphs informing us throughout this thread.

Do you think we can move on now? Pretty please?

Please do not compare both sides, one of the two sides has been humbled for the past 8 years while the other side has been spoiling themselves.


You would Need 8 years of trump before the left gets closer to the center again.


The right has been shamed long enough, the constant double standard on the left has replaced its own empathy and objectivity in favor of prejudice and moral pretenses.


@JoeUK i will have to check that out later... it is currently not possible for me.
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Old 22.03.2017, 15:27
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Please do not compare both sides, one of the two sides has been humbled for the past 8 years while the other side has been spoiling themselves.


You would Need 8 years of trump before the left gets closer to the center again.


The right has been shamed long enough, the constant double standard on the left has replaced its own empathy and objectivity in favor of prejudice and moral pretenses.
Sooo, the right wing end of things is whiter than white and innocent as the driven snow, completely above board and beyond reproach? Innocent victim of left wing and liberal vitriol, none of it true?

Remind me again, which way do you lean politically?
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Remind me again, which way do you lean politically?
I like to think I come across as a centrist with a slight lean to the left
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So what's a nation to do? Probably just wait it out and keep the damage to a minimum.
Does anyone think that progress happens by "waiting stuff out"? It sounds like an excuse for simply not do anything but blaming others for zero progress. Which is exactly the victimhood stance I mentioned somewhere: a pose of passive group, just trying to "keep damage to minimum". It seems quite comfortable...just like realizing after the election that a president non grata got himself voted in. This passivity and waiting stuff out has cost the oponents a lot already and they got nobody but themselves to account for it. The only alternative to this is Trump, who actually keeps coming with ideas of how to make progress happen. I do think it is appealing more than a group of people who just complain and organize protests (quite destructive), choose media and "truths" to support their virtuous "waiting stuff out". Trump is nowhere near philosophy of ethics..but it might be the willingness, can-do (pretty American concept) mindset that will gradually win people over to his side. Looking for excuses or somebody else to blame is hardly an American heritage, tbh.
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There are plenty of Americans who would love to see him impeached BUT ....

the candidates for his replacement aren't really promising either.
I've been thinking about this. The alternative is Pence

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So what's a nation to do? Probably just wait it out and keep the damage to a minimum.
What's a nation to do? Selfishly, wait it out and eat popcorn, hoping that we don't blow up in the meantime. Or be a whatever the term was, snowflake? and engage in civil activism. And vote, of course.
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Old 22.03.2017, 16:39
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The only alternative to this is Trump, who actually keeps coming with inane tweets and continually demonstrates a total lack of statesmanship
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Old 22.03.2017, 16:43
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Sooo, the right wing end of things is whiter than white and innocent as the driven snow, completely above board and beyond reproach? Innocent victim of left wing and liberal vitriol, none of it true?

Remind me again, which way do you lean politically?


I have exactly the same answer as kriss kross.
Center but leaning to the left.


But let me expand:
I like to think i am a classical liberal, and i believe in the opportunities that a capitalistic system brings but i also believe that a Little bit of socialism in the taste of wellfare for families, the disabled, and the working poor would be awesome.


I do not believe that raising the taxes on the rich is good, but i believe that the one true weakness of capitalism is frugality in the top 1%.


The biggest reason why capitalism is doomed is because of people like Bill Gates, who earn too much yet save money religiously.


Saving money is always a good decision for an individual, but it is also necesary for every individual to spend money on services and products in order to Keep the economy flowing.


Instead of raising taxes we should pressure the top 1% to spend money and live extravagantly(according to their extravagant income) so that the money that the poor spend on products Comes back to them for their services.


I believe we are encouraging the rich into a behaviour that damages the poor... because we always praise the rich when they save money and criticize them when they spend "too much", we have to stop putting money on a pedestal and start criticizing people who amass huge fortunes without any real reason.
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Old 22.03.2017, 16:57
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The biggest reason why capitalism is doomed is because of people like Bill Gates, who earn too much yet save money religiously.
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Bill Gates? There's a long list of people I would use as an example for this situation over Bill Gates.


He has already given more than a third of his wealth to charity, and the plan is to give 95% of their wealth to charity.
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Old 22.03.2017, 17:02
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Looking for excuses or somebody else to blame is hardly an American heritage, tbh.

Of course it is. That's how Trump got himself elected in the first place.
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Bill Gates? There's a long list of people I would use as an example for this situation over Bill Gates.


He has already given more than a third of his wealth to charity, and the plan is to give 95% of their wealth to charity.
i am pro charity, but unless i am wrong he has his own charity foundation......... notice the trend? have you never noticed how every billionaire has a charity foundation?


I heard once that it is just a scheme to pay lower taxes...but i never cared to Research it....


I just gave an example of a billionaire who is constantly praised for not living extravagantly, the guy drives a TOYOTA for Trumps sake!
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Old 22.03.2017, 17:10
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i am pro charity, but unless i am wrong he has his own charity foundation......... notice the trend? have you never noticed how every billionaire has a charity foundation?


I heard once that it is just a scheme to pay lower taxes...but i never cared to Research it....


I just gave an example of a billionaire who is constantly praised for not living extravagantly, the guy drives a TOYOTA for Trumps sake!
By all means, I agree, question charities. The Clinton foundation is a prime example of questionable practices (for those who are familiar with the Davos Crowd).
However The Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation does have a very transparent solid track record though.
I'm not saying it's all angel work, and nothing is being done wrong--but there's a good lot of uber weathly people, and any people in general, who can't match The Gates on charitable work.
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I do think the left permit themselves to engage in personal attacks, ad hominem rhetorics more than their opponents.
I can only assume you've not been actually reading this thread

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Sooo, the right wing end of things is whiter than white and innocent as the driven snow, completely above board and beyond reproach? Innocent victim of left wing and liberal vitriol, none of it true?

Remind me again, which way do you lean politically?
Well to the right of Gengis Khan would be my guess

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Of course it is. That's how Trump got himself elected in the first place.
People made their choice. He gave them what he knew they wanted.

So, after all, he is not so lobotomized and random as many seem to wish to present him here.
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People made their choice. He gave them what he knew they wanted.
Such as?
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People made their choice. He gave them what he knew they wanted.

So, after all, he is not so lobotomized and random as many seem to wish to present him here.
'They' was a (small) minority, he is comedy gold. Wish he wasn't but he's not stepped up has he?
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people made their choice. He promised them what he knew they wanted.

So, after all, he is not so lobotomized and random as many seem to wish to present him here.
ftfy

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By all means, I agree, question charities. The Clinton foundation is a prime example of questionable practices (for those who are familiar with the Davos Crowd).
However The Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation does have a very transparent solid track record though.
I'm not saying it's all angel work, and nothing is being done wrong--but there's a good lot of uber weathly people, and any people in general, who can't match The Gates on charitable work.
Good idea

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New York state prosecutors are looking into 2015 tax filing that reveals the president-elect used charity to settle lawsuits and make personal purchases

Trump’s charity has admitted that it violated IRS regulations barring it from using its money or assets to benefit Trump, his family, his companies or substantial contributors to the foundation.
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I like to think I come across as a centrist with a slight lean to the left
I as well.

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I can only assume you've not been actually readong this thread


Well to the right of Gengis Khan would be my guess
I am not taking that as an insult.... lol just because i am not sure if you are joking, or you are being serious.

@marton, since we are in the topic of charities, and we already talked about the double standard of the left... why are you only linking dirt to Trumps charity? I believe the Clinton foundation is way more interesting......

Which money is dirtier: Russian money or Saudi money?(not that Trump took money from the russians, but lets assume he did for arguments sake..... which of the two sources is dirtier?).
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