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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Regarding points of view/povs, opinions, etc. I remembered this and thought of you all.


So nice how the ignorant is a man, and as always the one who is right is the woman.
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It got him voted and he took the ride. I think representing the token minority was the reason he actually did take the ride for. I do not think, despite the opinion of the anti Trump camp (they do keep refering to potential and eventualities, degrees a president issupposed to have, etc), that his presidential skills were any better than Trumps.

While we are this "token" topic - I had an interesting debate once. It was suggested that female participants should lift their hands up, irrespectively of actually having anything relevant to say. So, by the means of quotas, pretending the attempt to asssure everybody gets heard, they infact directly discredited all the females participants. Because people would expect the chicks to be just exercising their right to lift their hand up (banality) vs actually having an opinion.

That is what identity politics does. Obama, being voted in for token reasons has wrecked it for the token minority, for a long time. Hillary - would be the same. How good they are or not is irrelevant. The opressive, simplistic mindset of identity politics and opression olympics is damaging the token minorites the most.

Trump might turn out to be a joke..But. One thing is obvious, he does not represent a token. People will just have to see what will come out of it all. It is democratic and if it does not suit, it is up to the people of the USA to get up the snuff with efficient ways to change their election system.

I do not see people being busy creating efficient ways to change what they dislike. I see a lot of inefficient violence and semantics. (And knitting yeah, but knitting is always good).
It's funny. I know quite a few people - friends and relatives who emigrated to the USA and live the American dream - literally - house in suburbs, cars, 2 kids and even a summer cottage. Probably even a dog. These people have only their education and common sense to rely on, their English was sort of good, with a strong accent though (couldn't believe how fast they got rid of their accent last time I talked to my friend). They never needed identity politics, nor would they have benefited anyway, or someone to pat them on the back, that's why Skype and phones were invented for.
Frankly, don't understand why Trump is against immigration. Immigration brings value, more often than not.
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So nice how the ignorant is a man, and as always the one who is right is the woman.
Read that poem to your mum and see if she laughs at the irony, because that's what it's about. You could write it about a cat and a dog and still not lose the irony.

One for the parents here... How far would you go to reprimand an adult child? Even with the eyes of the World upon you, would you reprimand an adult child?

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39361079
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So nice how the ignorant is a man, and as always the one who is right is the woman.
Your answer says an awful lot about you....
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Frankly, don't understand why Trump is against immigration. Immigration brings value, more often than not.
Exactly! He's 1st generation on his mum's side and 2nd generation on his dad's side. I'm 4th generation Irish, 4th German and 2nd Scottish. I suspect most of us here have a similar history of immigration in our families.
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Frankly, don't understand why Trump is against immigration.

He isn't.

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I suspect most of us here have a similar history of immigration in our families.
I don't.


My children, on the other hand, do.
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Exactly! He's 1st generation on his mum's side and 2nd generation on his dad's side. I'm 4th generation Irish, 4th German and 2nd Scottish. I suspect most of us here have a similar history of immigration in our families.
Or looking at it another way, it is probably nigh on impossible to find anyone who is purely from one nation if they are in or around the European area, unless you look to somewhere like Iceland, which apparently has one of the purest populations of its own people.
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Read that poem to your mum and see if she laughs at the irony, because that's what it's about. You could write it about a cat and a dog and still not lose the irony.

One for the parents here... How far would you go to reprimand an adult child? Even with the eyes of the World upon you, would you reprimand an adult child?


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39361079
Do you know the proverb "the apple does not fall far from the tree"?
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He isn't.
Actually he is, more focus on illegal immigration sure but also on legal. From Wikipedia (because I can't be bothered to go further into the sources):
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Illegal immigration was a signature issue of US President Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and his proposed reforms and remarks about this issue generated much publicity.[1] A hallmark promise of his campaign was to build a substantial wall on the United States-Mexico border. Trump has also expressed support for a variety of "limits on legal immigration and guest-worker visas",[1][2] including a "pause" on granting green cards, which Trump says will "allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...f_Donald_Trump
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Frankly, don't understand why Trump is against immigration. Immigration brings value, more often than not.
In a forum which has as a user base people who were born in one country, living in another and likely to have spent time in even more countries, understanding Trump's rhetoric is impossible. However, if you have the chance, ever, to meet and talk to people from fly-over country in the US you will likely understand him. Not agree, but understand. The ignorance of these people is situational and scary.
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He isn't.



I don't.


My children, on the other hand, do.
No, Trump loves immigrants

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Trump administration publishes first 'weekly list of crimes' committed by immigrants
The list consists of 'examples' of illegal immigrants, their nationality and the alleged crime they have either been charged with or convicted of
The list includes people who have been charged, but not convicted, of a crime.
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Can you think of a better way to encourage hate and violence against immigrants?

Seems guilty before being proven innocent is now official in the US.

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DONALD J. TRUMP POSITION ON VISAS

.....institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
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However, if you have the chance, ever, to meet and talk to people from fly-over country in the US you will likely understand him.
What's fly-over country?
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Tightening control on immigration is not the same as being opposed to immigration.
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What's fly-over country?
From wikipedia "Flyover country, flyover states, and Flyoverland are American phrases describing the parts of the United States between the East and the West Coasts...thus refers to the part of the country that some Americans only view by air and never actually see in person at ground level..."
The landscape is basically..nothing, nothing, church, nothing, nothing, walmart, nothing...
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Donald Trump has a follower on me, and i will be paying attention... not to the liers but to the independent journalists and citizen journalists.... i will also base my opinions on interviews and video evidence.

You can keep your old Corporate Journalism that thrives on ad revenue.
Personally, I find it very disturbing that someone would choose to watch videos of beheadings in some part of the world- to form an opinion- especially about all Islam and all Muslims- without looking for the cultural/political/regional... bias.

Just as would find it disturbing if someone chose to watch child porn to feed their opinion on pedophiles - especially if then expanded to the opinion of all men.
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From wikipedia "Flyover country, flyover states, and Flyoverland are American phrases describing the parts of the United States between the East and the West Coasts...thus refers to the part of the country that some Americans only view by air and never actually see in person at ground level..."
The landscape is basically..nothing, nothing, church, nothing, nothing, walmart, nothing...
I've been there - that's a pretty fair description!
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I've been there - that's a pretty fair description!
In the case of South Dakota, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, airport chock full of SR-71 Blackbirds
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Personally, I find it very disturbing that someone would choose to watch videos of beheadings in some part of the world- to form an opinion- especially about all Islam and all Muslims- without looking for the cultural/political/regional... bias.

Huh? What's bias got to do with the fact that some people are murderous thugs who take delight in decapitating innocent victims on video?


I'm more concerned about the fact that anyone would choose to watch such videos at all, for any reason. We know it's happening - why would we need to see the gory details?
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From wikipedia "Flyover country, flyover states, and Flyoverland are American phrases describing the parts of the United States between the East and the West Coasts...thus refers to the part of the country that some Americans only view by air and never actually see in person at ground level..."
The landscape is basically..nothing, nothing, church, nothing, nothing, walmart, nothing...
Indeed, it is weird flying over States like New Mexico at night; no lights on the ground in any direction.
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So nice how the ignorant is a man, and as always the one who is right is the woman.
Well this is a work of 'art', it intends to evoke a emotion in the audience. What evokes a better emotion than a women as a victim, poorly equipped to debate, without becoming verbally violent, and a dominant man whom she disagrees with.
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