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...even Wilder who augmented his support way beyond expectations....
You really need to check your "unbiased" news sources - he very much didn't. Underperformed on his own objectives and achieved less support than back in 2010.
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Old 24.03.2017, 10:24
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Your nationality and or residence is irrelevant, there is a big political movement in the entire world. You cannot deny the Connection of Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, and even Wilder who augmented his support way beyond expectations.


I expect to see India, Australia, Italy and maybe also Germany move in this way(although i doubt Germany will, and it would seriously be Kind of scary).
Just as the republicans are pushing back against the evils of globalisation, they are inadvertently creating it.
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You really need to check your "unbiased" news sources - he very much didn't. Underperformed on his own objectives and achieved less support than back in 2010.


Going from 950k to 1,370k is not an immense growth?


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Just as the republicans are pushing back against the evils of globalisation, they are inadvertently creating it.
This sentiment is created by the intolerance of the left cooperating with the Intolerance of Islamic fundamentalists.


+obvious follow up question+ "how are they cooperating?"


In the form of Islam Apologism... i have never said all muslims are the same... yet i Keep Hearing "dont generalize".
What i will say is, that the only muslims advocating for a more tolerant islam by expressing interest in a Reform are being ostracized.


About half condemn Jihadism(not publicly) and a Little bit over a quarter support Jihadism and Islamism publicly.


OH i almost Forget, people getting tired of terrorism attacks is also pushing this sentiment.






PS: I agree with wilders view on islam and how he expresses most of them, i however condemn the way he wants to deal with it.


I believe in freedom of religion for everyone, in every place of the world... not only for muslims in the western world.
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:00
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You really need to check your "unbiased" news sources - he very much didn't. Underperformed on his own objectives and achieved less support than back in 2010.
but did much better than in 2012, which was the baseline here.

He even improved on his performance in the Euro elections 2014, and people generally say that opposition and protest parties do better in Euro elections than in national ones.
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:09
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Going from 950k to 1,370k is not an immense growth?

This sentiment is created by the intolerance of the left cooperating with the Intolerance of Islamic fundamentalists.

+obvious follow up question+ "how are they cooperating?"

In the form of Islam Apologism... i have never said all muslims are the same... yet i Keep Hearing "dont generalize".
What i will say is, that the only muslims advocating for a more tolerant islam by expressing interest in a Reform are being ostracized.

About half condemn Jihadism(not publicly) and a Little bit over a quarter support Jihadism and Islamism publicly.

OH i almost Forget, people getting tired of terrorism attacks is also pushing this sentiment.

PS: I agree with wilders view on islam and how he expresses most of them, i however condemn the way he wants to deal with it.

I believe in freedom of religion for everyone, in every place of the world... not only for muslims in the western world.
"Going from 950k to 1,370k is not an immense growth?" Immense Growth
Wilder's party had 24 seats in 2010 and now they have 20
If they carry on growing like this then they will be gone in a few years!

How can we believe your claims about the number who condemn/support Juhadism when you do not quote any source?
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but did much better than in 2012, which was the baseline here.

He even improved on his performance in the Euro elections 2014, and people generally say that opposition and protest parties do better in Euro elections than in national ones.
" the baseline here." Cherry picking
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:20
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think this thread needs trimming of all the non-Trump presidency issues; all this bollocks about Clinton, Wilders, Le Pen,. Brexit etc is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Trump is demonstrably incoherent in thought, word, and deed, and is patently lacking the required skill set for the role of POTUS. His travel restrictions have been blocked, he cannot get his own healthcare plan through the GOP-dominated congress and senate, he's asked for money for the wall that "Mexico will pay for". On top of the adolescent, incomprehensible early-morning rants on Twitter, how can anyone honestly say he is fit for the job in hand?
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"Going from 950k to 1,370k is not an immense growth?" Immense Growth
Wilder's party had 24 seats in 2010 and now they have 20
If they carry on growing like this then they will be gone in a few years!

How can we believe your claims about the number who condemn/support Juhadism when you do not quote any source?
Here is a compilation of sources: http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...ion-polls.aspx
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I think this thread needs trimming of all the non-Trump presidency issues; all this bollocks about Clinton, Wilders, Le Pen,. Brexit etc is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Trump is demonstrably incoherent in thought, word, and deed, and is patently lacking the required skill set for the role of POTUS. His travel restrictions have been blocked, he cannot get his own healthcare plan through the GOP-dominated congress and senate, he's asked for money for the wall that "Mexico will pay for". On top of the adolescent, incomprehensible early-morning rants on Twitter, how can anyone honestly say he is fit for the job in hand?


"trimming" by that he means deleting all "inconvenient truths".
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:27
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Hey Ete,

What are Anon National Union Services? I'd like to know the truth behind them.
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:29
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"trimming" by that he means deleting all "inconvenient truths".
No, "trimming" as in anything which is totally irrelevant to the question at the top of the thread.

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Old 24.03.2017, 11:30
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Well I see that according to the Telegraph poll linked to in that site 99% of Muslims polled thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. I'll take that as meaning active Jihadism has minimal support amongst British muslims.

I see your site quotes a nicely misleading heading however so no mistaking where their bias lies.

Edit - sorry Paddy....
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" the baseline here." Cherry picking
Normally if from one election to the next a party gains seats, you can say the party is growing.

Just because at a point in the more distant past they might have been even stronger doesn't deflect from that.
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:34
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"Going from 950k to 1,370k is not an immense growth?" Immense Growth
Wilder's party had 24 seats in 2010 and now they have 20
If they carry on growing like this then they will be gone in a few years!
In 1983 the Conservative party won 397 seats

In 2015 they won 330 seats.

If they continue at this rate they are heading for extinction.

Glossing over intermediate data points is so objective, isn't it.

Why do you compare to the 2010 election and ignore the 2012 election?
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Old 24.03.2017, 11:52
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In 1983 the Conservative party won 397 seats

In 2015 they won 330 seats.

If they continue at this rate they are heading for extinction.

Glossing over intermediate data points is so objective, isn't it.

Why do you compare to the 2010 election and ignore the 2012 election?
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Because it shows that the 2017 result was not a leap from nothing but just a continuation of the support they have had for some years and nothing groundbreaking.

Given a very few months ago there were those (including on here) expecting them to get a vote at least exceeding 20% and being the largest party in NL (which at the time would have needed about 25%), the result was a significant setback for Wilders.
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No, "trimming" as in anything which is totally irrelevant to the question at the top of the thread.

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WAIT WAIT!!! SO the islamic situation is not a baseline in which Trump will be measured as good? are you denying that it was not an important part of his campaing?


Wow, something tells me you have reasons to Keep the conversation away from a global phenomenom? Why? Is it convenient to avoid discussion about islam in a political context? Why? because it benefits your side of the story?
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I think this thread needs trimming of all the non-Trump presidency issues; all this bollocks about Clinton, Wilders, Le Pen,. Brexit etc is irrelevant.
Absolutely.

Anyone posting in this thread from now on, please keep to the topic ("Will Trump be a Good President?") -- perhaps amending that slightly to "Is Trump Proving to be a Good President?"

Any off-topic posts will be deleted from this point on.
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Absolutely.

Anyone posting in this thread from now on, please keep to the topic ("Will Trump be a Good President?") -- perhaps amending that slightly to "Is Trump Proving to be a Good President?"

Any off-topic posts will be deleted from this point on.

Establishing Parameters on which he should be measured, and stating the reasons why seems to be absolutely on topic... the title of the Thread "Will Trump be a Good President" and expanding on the current Status of international politics are compatible.




Please specify what is regarded as "off topic" and the reasoning behind it.... after all you are a moderator(which implies balance and control).
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Meh, still better than being a pussy like Obama.

OFF TOPIC: can i quickly just say, that the combination of the Post`s citation, the text, and the Picture of kriss kross made me spit my coffee......TWICE!




I am realizing that we are extremely polarized, and based on the thanks and groans, the conversation has not progressed at all... wouldnt it be better to close the thread to preserve it as somewhat readable material? instead of us heading into 4chan mode.
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DT:

"I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. Hey, look, in the meantime, I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm President, and you're not," he told Time's Washington bureau chief, Michael Scherer.

What a megalomaniacal prick..
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