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WAIT WAIT!!! SO the islamic situation is not a baseline in which Trump will be measured as good? are you denying that it was not an important part of his campaing?


Wow, something tells me you have reasons to Keep the conversation away from a global phenomenom? Why? Is it convenient to avoid discussion about islam in a political context? Why? because it benefits your side of the story?
No, because your insistence about harping on about such irrelevancies is an attempt to detract from the fact that Trump is not, or ever going to be, a very good president.

Anyway, what is "my side of the story"? From where I see it, Trump is the half-pissed bloke in the pub who has (constantly changing) opinions on everything, but knowledge about nothing. You tolerate him for a while out of politeness, then gradually sidle along the bar to have a laugh with your mates.
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No, because your insistence about harping on about such irrelevancies is an attempt to detract from the fact that Trump is not, or ever going to be, a very good president.

Anyway, what is "my side of the story"? From where I see it, Trump is the half-pissed bloke in the pub who has (constantly changing) opinions on everything, but knowledge about nothing. You tolerate him for a while out of politeness, then gradually sidle along the bar to have a laugh with your mates.


Nice, i hope those 4 people from the other day dont read your comment.... oh wait they cannot read anymore because of irrelevancies that i cannot stop harping about.




Anyway, what is "my side of the story"? From where i see it, Trump has a chance to go down as a very good president depending on what history books 50-100 years from now say about this time in history.
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Old 24.03.2017, 13:31
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Anyway, what is "my side of the story"? From where i see it, Trump has a chance to go down as a very good president depending on what history books 50-100 years from now say about this time in history.
I know I should learn from experience but your capacity for self-delusion still amazes me.
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Old 24.03.2017, 13:38
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Nice, i hope those 4 people from the other day dont read your comment.... oh wait they cannot read anymore because of irrelevancies that i cannot stop harping about.




Anyway, what is "my side of the story"? From where i see it, Trump has a chance to go down as a very good president depending on what history books 50-100 years from now say about this time in history.
So, your idea of a "good president" is based on what historians might or might not write about him in a century's time?

What's your real name, Donald J. Trump?
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So, your idea of a "good president" is based on what historians might or might not write about him in a century's time?

What's your real name, Donald J. Trump?

I hope your avator is not a reference to Christopher Hitchens, because if you were his son he would disown you.


"Good president" is extremely subjective, you are only accepting the use of that term now because it allows you to sound objective with your subjective constructions.


What is your real name, Barrack Hussain Obama?
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I hope your avator is not a reference to Christopher Hitchens, because if you were his son he would disown you.


"Good president" is extremely subjective, you are only accepting the use of that term now because it allows you to sound objective with your subjective constructions.


What is your real name, Barrack Hussain Obama?
I'm sure Christopher Hitchens would be laughing hysterically at the anti-science and conspiracy theory rubbish that the Trump spouts.

Why would you assume I am an Obama supporter? Straying from the topic subject matter again? How odd....
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According to the main stream media there will be a big vote tonight on the Obamacare repeal.
The same source claims Trump has threatened this is the last chance to repeal Obamacare; he will walk away if this fails and blame Congress.

I wonder if the Republicans will call his bluff or fall in line?
If they fall in line then they risk that Trump pulls the same trick every future time he has a problem.

Of course the Republicans have a good case to say that they could not vote in a Bill which does not meet their demands?

The joke is that after all the last minute negotiations and changes nobody knows anymore what they will be voting for!!

Some people say the new Bill with all its change will save money and cover less people while others say it will cost more and cover the same number.

In a sensible world they would take a breather and have the changes properly evaluated.

Would be a farce if they vote for the Bill and then discover later it will cost more than Obamacare
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According to the main stream media there will be a big vote tonight on the Obamacare repeal.
The same source claims Trump has threatened this is the last chance to repeal Obamacare; he will walk away if this fails and blame Congress.

I wonder if the Republicans will call his bluff or fall in line?
If they fall in line then they risk that Trump pulls the same trick every future time he has a problem.

Of course the Republicans have a good case to say that they could not vote in a Bill which does not meet their demands?

The joke is that after all the last minute negotiations and changes nobody knows anymore what they will be voting for!!

Some people say the new Bill with all its change will save money and cover less people while others say it will cost more and cover the same number.

In a sensible world they would take a breather and have the changes properly evaluated.

Would be a farce if they vote for the Bill and then discover later it will cost more than Obamacare
Wonderful stuff. It is a lose-lose situation for Trump. If he gets it through then it will screw his voters, who will then hate him. If it does not get through then he looks weak. However, don't forget that this is only the first stage. The bill's chances in the Senate, which is less conservative, are very poor. So it looks like Obamacare is here to stay.

I just love watching the Republicans "govern" after all those years of moaning and blocking everything. They now have majorities everywhere and can't get this done. No-one to blame but themselves now.
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I would like to see India, Australia, Italy and maybe also Germany move in this direction(i doubt Germany will, and it would be scary because it could contribute to the entire sentiment overextending).
As far as Italy, thanks, but no thanks.

Incompetent leaders with small hands and big egos...we've tried twice before, one in 1922-1945 and the other one in 1994-2012.

I would like to think that we have learned from our mistakes...hopefully.

Back to Trump. Interesting article from the Post which I don't think has already been posted: They are poor, sick and voted for Trump. What will happen to them without Obamacare?
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"trimming" by that he means deleting all "inconvenient truths".
You cannot ignore stuff. But people can exercise seizing control..by offering nothing else but simplifying issues that are far from simple. If that is what they wish for...let them. Let them think it brings the quality of communication up. Let them think limiting public space and getting rid off opposing views means progress. Let them think mockery, ridicule and flaming somebody in public means creating something or doing work. Ideas need work. Pushing an opponent out of the picture is a product of a lazy mind.

This is a public space, the quality is up to all of us, as consumers. Let's not bring it down and then complain consumers are victims of manipulative media. Cherish your oponents.
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Back to Trump. Interesting article from the Post which I don't think has already been posted: They are poor, sick and voted for Trump. What will happen to them without Obamacare?
Who cares.
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Why? He should be kept in check, like every other politician. I have the feeling that the leash would have been much longer in her case, had she won, but that doesn't mean Trump doesn't need criticism. I think he can turn this in his favour if he can be wise - politically.
I totally agree with you. But obstructing to the point of zero advance, costs too much. If oponents were smarter and were really into progress, if they cared for the votes he won with, they would show good will. And let him run up against a wall himself. They don't even let him walk. In fact it is probably winning him more support with the ordinary people who Dems threw over the board long ago.

I think Trump is in a good position and he won't get tired of working. Ordinary people will get tired of the constant obstructions.
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According to the main stream media there will be a big vote tonight on the Obamacare repeal.
The same source claims Trump has threatened this is the last chance to repeal Obamacare; he will walk away if this fails and blame Congress.

I wonder if the Republicans will call his bluff or fall in line?
If they fall in line then they risk that Trump pulls the same trick every future time he has a problem.

Of course the Republicans have a good case to say that they could not vote in a Bill which does not meet their demands?

The joke is that after all the last minute negotiations and changes nobody knows anymore what they will be voting for!!

Some people say the new Bill with all its change will save money and cover less people while others say it will cost more and cover the same number.

In a sensible world they would take a breather and have the changes properly evaluated.

Would be a farce if they vote for the Bill and then discover later it will cost more than Obamacare
It might really turn out more expensive than Obamacare; what a crock that would be, for example;
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Eleventh-hour attempts to corral wavering Republicans led to some expensive dealmaking as the bill gets its final touches in committee.
A handful of moderate Republicans — including New York Rep. Elise Stefanik and Pennsylvania Rep. Tim Murphy — hailed the addition of $15 billion for maternity care, as well as mental health and substance."
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I totally agree with you. But obstructing to the point of zero advance, costs too much. If oponents were smarter and were really into progress, if they cared for the votes he won with, they would show good will. And let him run up against a wall himself. They don't even let him walk. In fact it is probably winning him more support with the ordinary people who Dems threw over the board long ago.

I think Trump is in a good position and he won't get tired of working. Ordinary people will get tired of the constant obstructions.
It could be argued that this is the same strategy employed by the Republicans during Obama's time in office. Many ordinary people were quite frustrated by the do nothing Congress, but it wasn't enough potential pain to engage them. Now there is more engagement - at least in terms of communication with lawmakers and interest in public office. I have not seen as much engagement, calling, letter writing, attending town meetings (and this is how Americans enage with lawmakers) since perhaps Viet Nam.

I believe that his support is eroding. For example, calls into the house of representatives are running almost 50 to 1 against the repeal of Obamacare. At any rate, I disagree with your premise that Democrats threw constituents under the bus. At least not to an extreme when compared to Republicans. Both R and D really need to remember their constituents....it is an endemic problem. It's important to remember that Trump won by a very small margin.

Many people who are against Trump are refusing to normalize him. So we're not giving him a pass, we're not trying to negotiate or build bridges. It may be unproductive, but that's the message being sent. He has filled his cabinet with ill prepared individuals, there are ethics violations up the wazoo. If health care doesn't happen it will be a serious failure on his part. Of course if it does, the American people are screwed, I think.

However, I realize that this is my view, and everyone is welcome to disagree.

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And it looks like there will be no health care vote today. 🍿
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The bill has been withdrawn. Trump has failed at the first hurdle of his presidency.

"We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future." -- Paul Ryan.

A great deal-maker Trump is not. Apparently running a country is not the same as inheriting a company or having books ghostwritten for you -- it's not even the same as hosting a reality TV show... It looks like Trump has played himself straight into Ryan's hands; or more accurately, Trump has been played beautifully by Ryan.

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I predict lots of Presidential toys being thrown out of the pram tonight. Bigly. If DT really has a majority it is only his fault.
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The bill has been withdrawn. Trump has failed at the first hurdle of his presidency.

"We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future." -- Paul Ryan.

A great deal-maker Trump is not. Apparently running a country is not the same as inheriting a company or having books ghostwritten for you -- it's not even the same as hosting a reality TV show... It looks like Trump has played himself straight into Ryan's hands; or more accurately, Trump has been played beautifully by Ryan.

Sorry to disagree but this is the second hurdle!

Trump's Muslim ban or immigrant ban is also in the toilet.

They seem to have lost interest?
After the court injunction against the first ban the DOJ raised an emergency or high priority appeal.

Now they have not yet appealed against the court injunction from Hawaii which was against the second ban

They have appealed against the court injunction from Maryland which was against the second ban but not as an emergency or high priority appeal so it will not be heard in court until earliest June or July
Edit - new court date for Maryland appeal; May 8

Anyway where is Phos when we are now able to rag him mercilessly about "Trump the winner"
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Trump has been played beautifully by Ryan.
Watch what happens now. I think you may soon be saying Trump has beautifully played Ryan. Let's see how long he lasts.
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Meanwhile the Moscow connection has not been disproved,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/03/23/daily-202-fresh-evidence-trump-s-russia-headaches-are-not-going-away/58d36ffae9b69b72b2551022/

and at some point his lies must hurt him,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-the-disgrace-is-all-yours/2017/03/23/1f4951bc-1004-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html

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The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, a conservative bastion, had this to say on Tuesday:

“If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world? We’re not sure, which speaks to the damage that Mr. Trump is doing to his presidency with his seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods.”

The president’s response: “I thought it was a disgrace that they could write that.”

But no, Mr. Trump, the disgrace is all yours.
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