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Straight from the horse's mouth: “Hello, Bob,” Trump began. “So, we just pulled it.”

Of course according to him, it's the Democrats' fault. Yeah, right - with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate, actually, the largest since 1931.

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"It's not our bill, it's theirs," said Trump (referring to the Democrats' Obamacare and implying that this was the bill that was open to debate) after the Republicans withdrew the healthcare bill. Disingenuous, much?

UNBELIEVABLE!!! Does Trump simply believe that the bigger his lies are, the more likely people are to believe them?
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Straight from the horse's mouth: “Hello, Bob,” Trump began. “So, we just pulled it.”

Of course according to him, it's the Democrats' fault. Yeah, right - with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate, actually, the largest since 1931.

FAIL!
Strange strategy?
He is now claiming the Democrats are so clever they can block a bill when they do not have the President or have majorities in House or Senate. Does he really want to say that which implies the Republicans are opposite of smart?

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Now the Republicans cannot rely on Obama blocking the way they suddenly get cold feet?

Must admit I never seriously imagined the Republicans would pull the rug away from Trump like this.

Next big battle will be the budget approval.
There is a group of Republicans who want to to cut taxes so want to see a budget reduction and another group who do not want to approve cost savings that will lead to local unemployment from Agencies based in their State.
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Next big battle will be the budget approval.

There is a group of Republicans who want to to cut taxes so want to see a budget reduction and another group who do not want to approve cost savings that will lead to local unemployment from Agencies based in their State.
And that battle will be now much harder because the savings that Trumpcare would have brought are not there. So even less of Trump's ridiculous draft budget will survive. Someone said it was more a campaign brochure than a budget.
Reality check:
- Cutting taxes reduces the money available to spend.
- Building walls and infrastructure and strengthening the military costs money.
- The fiscal fascists on his right wing want lower deficits.

I'm loving it. Get more popcorn.
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"It's not our bill, it's theirs," said Trump (referring to the Democrats' Obamacare and implying that this was the bill that was open to debate) after the Republicans withdrew the healthcare bill. Disingenuous, much?

UNBELIEVABLE!!! Does Trump simply believe that the bigger his lies are, the more likely people are to believe them?
Yes, he does - he's been studying the masters:

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All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

Sorry to Godwinize, but hey - it's a valid comparison and Ivana Trump did tell her lawyer in 1990 the the Donald kept a book of Hitlers' speeches on the nightstand...
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...Does Trump simply believe that the bigger his lies are, the more likely people are to believe them?
Yes, or at least that it doesn't matter he lies because "I'm the president and you're not." (Time magazine interview)

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Strange strategy?
He is now claiming the Democrats are so clever they can block a bill when they do not have the President or have majorities in House or Senate. Does he really want to say that which implies the Republicans are opposite of smart?
Typical strategy. He's playing to his base again. They believe the Ds are the devil, and he reinforces that belief. This will be the R strategy throughout, I predict. Even though they have the majority and can pass most things with it, any problems will be the fault of the Ds, not of their own very different factions fighting with each other.

I'm disappointed by the decision to drop the discussion about healthcare (at least for now). The Rs are trying to score a political point by allowing a lot of Americans to suffer under premiums and co-pays they can't afford. They are gambling that those Americans will eventually suffer so much they will write/call Congress and beg for Trumpcare, as if it's some magic bean. Yes, Obamacare has flaws. Congress has the ability to make changes but the Rs didn't want the fallout from what that would entail.
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Yes, or at least that it doesn't matter he lies because "I'm the president and you're not." (Time magazine interview)



Typical strategy. He's playing to his base again. They believe the Ds are the devil, and he reinforces that belief. This will be the R strategy throughout, I predict. Even though they have the majority and can pass most things with it, any problems will be the fault of the Ds, not of their own very different factions fighting with each other.

I'm disappointed by the decision to drop the discussion about healthcare (at least for now). The Rs are trying to score a political point by allowing a lot of Americans to suffer under premiums and co-pays they can't afford. They are gambling that those Americans will eventually suffer so much they will write/call Congress and beg for Trumpcare, as if it's some magic bean. Yes, Obamacare has flaws. Congress has the ability to make changes but the Rs didn't want the fallout from what that would entail.
True, but at the same time he is also reinforcing the belief of the Democrat supporters in their team?

"those Americans will eventually suffer so much they will write/call Congress and beg for Trumpcare" Possibly, but will this pull the R's together into a cohesive team that can agree on a solution and vote it in?
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Yes, Obamacare has flaws. Congress has the ability to make changes but the Rs didn't want the fallout from what that would entail.
This is indeed disappointing. Republicans and democrats alike are to blame, they have a chance to work together to improve the Affordable Care Act and I am afraid that, between the President's hideous bills that will go nowhere and their bickering at each other, we are looking at multiple years of inaction. I hope I am wrong.

Also, filibustering really irks me to no end.
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This is indeed disappointing. Republicans and democrats alike are to blame, they have a chance to work together to improve the Affordable Care Act and I am afraid that, between the President's hideous bills that will go nowhere and their bickering at each other, we are looking at multiple years of inaction. I hope I am wrong.

Also, filibustering really irks me to no end.
The democrats have the chance to cooperate now, but i guess everything they reject is gonna be deemed "hideous bills" by the opposition party.
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I love the responses that basically amount to "democrats should just suck up and deal with it", whether its in regards to the politicians or in regards to how terrible they view Trump. There were literally 6 of inaction done by Congress, as well as near constant complaining by right-wing voters, during Obama's presidency. They didn't just suck up and deal with it, or feel the need to cooperate. Now, they complain the democrats can give them a taste of their own medicine, and they don't like it.
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I love the responses that basically amount to "democrats should just suck up and deal with it", whether its in regards to the politicians or in regards to how terrible the public views Trump. There were literally 6 years of inaction done by Congress, as well as near constant complaining by right-wing voters, during Obama's presidency. They didn't just suck up and deal with it, or feel the need to cooperate. Now, they complain the democrats can give them a taste of their own medicine, and they don't like it.
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I love the responses that basically amount to "democrats should just suck up and deal with it", whether its in regards to the politicians or in regards to how terrible they view Trump. There were literally 6 of inaction done by Congress, as well as near constant complaining by right-wing voters, during Obama's presidency. They didn't just suck up and deal with it, or feel the need to cooperate. Now, they complain the democrats can give them a taste of their own medicine, and they don't like it.

You like double standards dont you? I remember reading about certain republican president that wanted to abolish slavery, and the democrats resisted this to such an extend that it caused a civil war.
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You like double standards dont you? I remember reading about certain republican president that wanted to abolish slavery, and the democrats resisted this to such an extend that it caused a civil war.
And a century later, lots of those democrats became republicans - and still are.

But of course, I think that elected officials should put their constituents first. They don't. Way too much lobbying. At the same time, watching at least six years of gleeful obstruction from Mitch McConnell and his ilk, I don't mind a little thumb nosing by Democrats.

Nevertheless, there is an opportunity to work on health care and it would be nice if both sides would - gasp- work together. Better yet, get the politicians and lobbyists out of the mix and get people who actually provide and utilize health care together to work out a fair system. I actually believe that medicare is the appropriate model. But that's me.

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You like double standards dont you? I remember reading about certain republican president that wanted to abolish slavery, and the democrats resisted this to such an extend that it caused a civil war.
Rather naive!

It was rather different and basically not simply about abolishing slavery.

The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.

The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labour alone.

Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence.

The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal.
His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
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The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal.
His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
Obviously it's unfathomable to some that today's almost complete lack of bipartisan cooperation is a relatively recent thing, that cooperation across the aisle was common until the 80ies.
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Rather naive!

It was rather different and basically not simply about abolishing slavery.

The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.

The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labour alone.

Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence.

The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal.
His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
You are leaving out the FACT that all leaders of the south were Democrats, you are also leaving out the FACT that Democrats were the ones who mobilized the secesion and created the Confederacy.... you are trying to paint this as a non partisan issue by framing it exclusively as a north vs south issue...
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You are leaving out the FACT that all leaders of the south were Democrats, you are also leaving out the FACT that Democrats were the ones who mobilized the secesion and created the Confederacy.... you are trying to paint this as a non partisan issue by framing it exclusively as a north vs south issue...
You are forgetting that those Democrat leaders of the south moved to the Republican Party in the 1960's.
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You are leaving out the FACT that all leaders of the south were Democrats, you are also leaving out the FACT that Democrats were the ones who mobilized the secesion and created the Confederacy.... you are trying to paint this as a non partisan issue by framing it exclusively as a north vs south issue...
Not really
It was the same problem 150 years ago as Trump faces now.

The problem was/is finding jobs for uneducated white men. Turns out abolishing slavery did not help much, probably made the problem worse as many of the freed slaves moved to other States and sought manual work at low daily rates.

Of course the problem today is not slavery but now many manual jobs are being replaced by automation. If self drive trucks are successfully introduced into the US and threaten the jobs of the 3.5 million truck drivers then the situation will be worse.
Compare the economics of self drive trucks that run 24/7 with truck drivers who are limited to 60 hours in 7 days and then have to take a 34 hour break.
Truck fleet owners could halve their fleets or better and still provide the same coverage?

One major Trump promise was to create jobs for uneducated white men; I really hope he achieves this. It would also benefit Obamacare to have more people paying in?

A couple of days ago Trump announce "20K AMERICAN JOBS over the next 4 years. THANK YOU Charter Communications!". The first new jobs will be at a new Texas call centre employing 600 people with dual English and Spanish fluency. More of benefit to Mexicans than uneducated white men
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You are forgetting that those Democrat leaders of the south moved to the Republican Party in the 1960's.
Those racist democrat leaders are dead since over a hundred years ago, i am not entirely sure what you mean.

In any case quality of life of African Americans increase during Republican rule, go ask Thomas Sowell.

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Those racist democrat leaders are dead since over a hundred years ago, i am not entirely sure what you mean.


In the 1960's - 1970's, southern democrats increasingly switched party registration to republican. Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, etc.

Today's Republican party is a far cry from the party of Lincoln in 1860, as is the Democratic party.
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