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Those racist democrat leaders are dead since over a hundred years ago, i am not entirely sure what you mean.

In any case quality of life of African Americans increase during Republican rule, go ask Thomas Sowell.

Sowell is classic. Expecting people to agree with him, though, would have to first mean - they actually want to agree with him.

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Those racist democrat leaders are dead since over a hundred years ago, i am not entirely sure what you mean.
You're the one who brought up those "dead, racist Democrats" to try and tie their behavior to the current Democratic party.
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So why did Trump promise that he would repeal and replace Obama care with something much better and very quickly then? He should have come up clean to the people- the poor in particular who voted for him in droves - NO, I will repeal Obama care and sort yourselves out and get your own health care? Simple no? I wonder why?

Cancer? Terrible accidents? just rot you peasants! Simple- at least be honest then. How anyone can approve Trump's actions on healthcare from the safety of a country where basic health care covers everyone to such a high degree- is such a hypocrit.

I'd never wish bad on people- but honestly I find it hard at this stage not to hope that those advocating for no access to healthcare for the majority to have to cope with the consequences. Not everyone who becomes ill or has a terrible accident does so of their own volition you know- because of poor diet, or smoking or drinking to excess, etc. S*it happens.

Hope it never happens to you and yours - but any of us are at risk, day in, day out. My brother's life changed forever when he had an accident at school aged 6- my life changed forever when I was involved in a car accident at 19 - neither of us ould have done anything to prevent this.
Our oldest daughter and myself would have probably died had I not been able to get quick access to a Ceasarian when she was born. My grandson would probably not be with us either due to his severe allergies to egg, etc, etc.

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You are forgetting that those Democrat leaders of the south moved to the Republican Party in the 1960's.
You used the word THOSE, which would mean you are referring to the same people that created the confederacy...

Problem is not the people that went from democratic to republican, problem is the people that REMAINED in the democratic party, for example look at Robert Byrd!




Ofc, you would never hear any of this... because you subscribe to the mainstream media as proven by every single link that marton has posted.
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So why did Trump promise that he would repeal and replace Obama care with something much better and very quickly then? He should have come up clean to the people- the poor in particular who voted for him in droves - NO, I will repeal Obama care and sort yourselves out and get your own health care? Simple no? I wonder why?

Cancer? Terrible accidents? just rot you peasants! Simple- at least be honest then. How anyone can approve Trump's actions on healthcare from the safety of a country where basic health care covers everyone to such a high degree- is such a hypocrit.

I'd never wish bad on people- but honestly I find it hard at this stage not to hope that those advocating for no access to healthcare for the majority to have to cope with the consequences. Not everyone who becomes ill or has a terrible accident does so of their own volition you know- because of poor diet, or smoking or drinking to excess, etc. S*it happens.

Hope it never happens to you and yours - but any of us are at risk, day in, day out. My brother's life changed forever when he had an accident at school aged 6- my life changed forever when I was involved in a car accident at 19 - neither of us ould have done anything to prevent this.
Our oldest daughter and myself would have probably died had I not been able to get quick access to a Ceasarian when she was born. My grandson would probably not be with us either due to his severe allergies to egg, etc, etc.

Again refer to one of my Sowell pictures, he described people like you perfectly.
And to me it seems you are implying that there was no healthcare before Obamacare.... there was healthcare and in fact it was much cheaper.....

Did you have obamacare during all those HORRIFIC accidents that have so much to do with the conversation?
And dont be so self-centered, i have also endured accidents and i did not receive the same level of healthcare you did, so stop complaining and playing the victim card.
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You used the word THOSE, which would mean you are referring to the same people that created the confederacy...

Problem is not the people that went from democratic to republican, problem is the people that REMAINED in the democratic party, for example look at Robert Byrd!


Ofc, you would never hear any of this... because you subscribe to the mainstream media as proven by every single link that marton has posted.
Don't assume. The byrd thing is pretty well known, even among people who, as you claim "subscribe to msm".

Indeed, those individuals responsible for forming the confederacy have all turned to dust. However, in the 1960's and 1970's, a large number of Southern Democrats moved to the Republican party. Why is the subject of debate - racism and economics both figure in the reasoning. However, this movement began at the same time as the civil rights movement. And it changed the character of both parties. Are there still racists in the Democratic party? Sure. But there are also a lot in the Republican party too.

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Don't assume. The byrd thing is pretty well known, even among people who, as you claim "subscribe to msm".

Indeed, those individuals responsible for forming the confederacy have all turned to dust. However, in the 1960's and 1970's, a large number of Southern Democrats moved to the Republican party. Why is the subject of debate - racism and economics both figure in the reasoning. However, this movement began at the same time as the civil rights movement. And it changed the character of both parties. Are there still racists in the Democratic party? Sure. But there are also a lot in the Republican party too.
On the topic of Civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican, seems that atleast the good ones stood by the real party for equality.
Either way i was getting tired of people insinuating that the republican party was incooperative... one of the things that i dislike the most of Trump is that he used to be a Hillary supporter, meaning there is a strong chance he does not really like black people... in my opinion Bernie sanders wold ahd been better than either, but the democratic party double and triple crossed him.
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So why did Trump promise that he would repeal and replace Obama care with something much better and very quickly then?

....Because Donald is so full of shit,
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Don't assume. The byrd thing is pretty well known, even among people who, as you claim "subscribe to msm".

Indeed, those individuals responsible for forming the confederacy have all turned to dust. However, in the 1960's and 1970's, a large number of Southern Democrats moved to the Republican party. Why is the subject of debate - racism and economics both figure in the reasoning. However, this movement began at the same time as the civil rights movement. And it changed the character of both parties. Are there still racists in the Democratic party? Sure. But there are also a lot in the Republican party too.
Point them out, i mean it would be incredible if the msm didnt have a couple of hit articles on them.
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...And to me it seems you are implying that there was no healthcare before Obamacare.... there was healthcare and in fact it was much cheaper...
Prior to Obamacare there was no widespread healthcare for individuals that weren't covered by an employer plan. No such thing as cheaper when you don't have any coverage at all.

There are a number of reasons costs have risen and it's not just one person's fault. The baby boomer generation is aging and with that come additional healthcare costs. People are living longer. Previously uncovered people that would not have sought treatment are now seeking treatment.

There's a reason the Rs have stumbled a bit out of the blocks on this one. It sounds great that you're going to "repeal and replace" but it's a lot harder to actually do it without having a bunch of political fallout. No matter what you do, someone is going to be unhappy.
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On the topic of Civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican, seems that atleast the good ones stood by the real party for equality.
Either way i was getting tired of people insinuating that the republican party was incooperative... one of the things that i dislike the most of Trump is that he used to be a Hillary supporter, meaning there is a strong chance he does not really like black people... in my opinion Bernie sanders wold ahd been better than either, but the democratic party double and triple crossed him.
Yes, yes that may all be true.

But, your inital assertion about the Democrats and Republicans during the civil war was incorrect. Moreover, the Republican party has been uncooperative throughout most of Obama's presidency. Any number of statements of Mitch McConnell point to this. Their incessant attempts to repeal obamacare while they could have been working on other issues is more evidence.

But sure, not all Republicans are Racist thugs. Neither are all Democrats.
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On the topic of Civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican,
Politifact rates that claim as false:

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...king-jr-was-r/

"Experts say King eschewed party labels and was critical of both major parties. King’s son and daughter have denied claims that their father sided with the GOP. King’s niece, who once said the civil rights leader was a Republican, retracted that statement three years ago."


But neither the historical Republican nor Democratic party is particularly instructive to an understanding of each party - the politicians, party leaders, forces pulling strings, or party voters - today.
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So why did Trump promise that he would repeal and replace Obama care with something much better and very quickly then?
Well as you said he wanted the votes!

Maybe it was not a bad assumption to make that the R party had a good replacement healthcare plan after 9 years of telling us they would replace Obamacare.

It turned out there was not a plan that sufficient Rs could support..
It maybe that with some support from the Ds they could have crafted and voted in a replacement but that would have left a substantial number of Rs who were against the plan as an unhappy and divisive group in Government.
How good would that be for the future of a working Government?
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You used the word THOSE, which would mean you are referring to the same people that created the confederacy...

Problem is not the people that went from democratic to republican, problem is the people that REMAINED in the democratic party, for example look at Robert Byrd!


Ofc, you would never hear any of this... because you subscribe to the mainstream media as proven by every single link that marton has posted.
"by every single link that Marton has posted" Indeed I do and since you never successfully challenged any of those posts I have no reason to change

Even Trump understands the value of the mainstream media.
Immediately after the decision to pull the Healthcare bill then what did Trump do?
He phoned Robert Costa a reporter from the Washington Post and then Maggie Haberman a reporter from the New York Times

This is a good reason to subscribe to the msm; they get the news first

As far as the KKK;
Rice W. Means, a Republican United States Senator from Colorado, was a member of the Klan in Colorado.
Clarence Morley was a Republican and the governor of Colorado from 1925 to 1927. He was a KKK member and a strong supporter of Prohibition
David Duke, a politician who ran in both Democrat and Republican presidential primaries, was openly involved in the leadership of the Ku Klux Klan

All long ago and let us ignore that Trump was officially endorsed by the KKK
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Did you have obamacare during all those HORRIFIC accidents that have so much to do with the conversation?
And dont be so self-centered, i have also endured accidents and i did not receive the same level of healthcare you did, so stop complaining and playing the victim card.
The victim card? Au contraire- I was saying that I was VERY lucky to live in a country where I was covered by a healthcare system- and that I just don't know what would have happened to me, in say, the USA- in the same crcumstances.

My brother however, had his accident before health care was compusory and the policy was waiting in the draw until the end of the month so they could pay it. We had to sell our home, mum's Pleyel grand piano and her jewellery she'd inherited and live in an old house without a bathroom or central heating. We all survived. What happens when your child has a terrible accident which is life-threatening, or an illness- and there is no home, grand piano or jewellery to sell as is the case for a hhuge % of the population in the USA? Or mum gets cancer- or dad has an accident at work preventing him from work for a very long time, or ...?!
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Yes, or at least that it doesn't matter he lies because "I'm the president and you're not." (Time magazine interview)



Typical strategy. He's playing to his base again. They believe the Ds are the devil, and he reinforces that belief. This will be the R strategy throughout, I predict. Even though they have the majority and can pass most things with it, any problems will be the fault of the Ds, not of their own very different factions fighting with each other.

I'm disappointed by the decision to drop the discussion about healthcare (at least for now). The Rs are trying to score a political point by allowing a lot of Americans to suffer under premiums and co-pays they can't afford. They are gambling that those Americans will eventually suffer so much they will write/call Congress and beg for Trumpcare, as if it's some magic bean. Yes, Obamacare has flaws. Congress has the ability to make changes but the Rs didn't want the fallout from what that would entail.
Seems Trump has switched targets and is aiming at Republicans now and no longer at Democrats, this will confuse his base?
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Politifact rates that claim as false:

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...king-jr-was-r/

"Experts say King eschewed party labels and was critical of both major parties. King’s son and daughter have denied claims that their father sided with the GOP. King’s niece, who once said the civil rights leader was a Republican, retracted that statement three years ago."


But neither the historical Republican nor Democratic party is particularly instructive to an understanding of each party - the politicians, party leaders, forces pulling strings, or party voters - today.
You can throw that politifact right in the trashcan, its lies.
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Seems Trump has switched targets and is aiming at Republicans now and no longer at Democrats, this will confuse his base?
Not really he is a lifelong democrat.
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Actually that's very much to the point and quite accurate as far as it concerns members of the US congress.

Below you see a visualisation of voting behaviours in US congress since after WW2, the centerpiece of this paper:
- dems are blue, reps are red
- dem voting with another dem gives a blue line, rep voting with a rep gives a red line
- dem voting with rep or rep voting with dem gives a grey line

The lines work in the chart like rubberbands: The more often a certain member/member combination voted the same way the stronger that rubberband becomes. As a result, the more members voted with their party the closer knit the red (blue) cloud becomes. Or seen the other way round, the more often dems voted with the reps, and vice versa, the more the two clouds overlap. It's easy to see that the latter was very common after WW2, but not anymore.

Since the 70ies the R's have been voting much more closer along party lines than the D's. For the last 20 years cooperation by R's across the aisle has been completely inexistent whereas there still were and are a few D's that let cooler heads prevail (at least until 2011, that's where the data stop).

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Can't help wondering if this Sesame Street song had anything to do with PBS funding being cancelled.


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