Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 327

parnell · #**6521** 27.03.2017, 00:03

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Sowell is classic. Expecting people to agree with him, though, would have to first mean - they actually want to agree with him. How does this work?

Or actually want real solutions and not someone else to pay for a growing frustrated underclass.

marton · #**6522** 27.03.2017, 00:43

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	President Trump gave German Chancellor Angela Merkel a staff-created bill for NATO defenses estimated at £300 billion, The Times of London reported on Sunday. Trump reportedly handed Merkel the invoice during her trip to Washington, D.C. earlier this month. “The concept behind putting out such demands is to intimidate the other side, but the chancellor took it calmly and will not respond to such provocations,” a German minister told the newspaper.

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If this is true then he really is one sandwich short of a picnic?

Urs Max · #**6523** 27.03.2017, 01:15

Looks like Trump's ultimatum on the repeal of the Affordable Care Act failed. He walks away and admits complete and final defeat.

Everybody's been shown the emperor wears no clothes, all world now knows he has zero power in congress, most everybody in his party showed him the dirty finger.

Trump's presidency just been demonstrated to be a clear failure by the POTUS himself.

My guess is:
Impeachment coming to this theatre shortly, not even his party will protect after this. The FBI has been investigating for quite some time now.

Daaze · #**6524** 27.03.2017, 01:57

	Quote:	etefan02
	You can throw that politifact right in the trashcan, its lies.

I'm legitimately concerned at this point whether or not you understand the definitions of the words "fact" and "lie."

#**6525** 27.03.2017, 03:31

	Quote:	etefan02
	You can throw that politifact right in the trashcan, its lies.

Politifact is all lies... because you say so, right?! Seriously, you're hilarious!

I'm absolutely loving watching this -- Phos has disappeared, etefan02 is in total denial... Trump's failure was widely predicted but it's still great fun to watch him and his sycophants imploding.

etefan02 · #**6526** 27.03.2017, 08:15

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Actually that's very much to the point and quite accurate as far as it concerns members of the US congress. Below you see a visualisation of voting behaviours in US congress since after WW2, the centerpiece of this paper: - dems are blue, reps are red - dem voting with another dem gives a blue line, rep voting with a rep gives a red line - dem voting with rep or rep voting with dem gives a grey line The lines work in the chart like rubberbands: The more often a certain member/member combination voted the same way the stronger that rubberband becomes. As a result, the more members voted with their party the closer knit the red (blue) cloud becomes. Or seen the other way round, the more often dems voted with the reps, and vice versa, the more the two clouds overlap. It's easy to see that the latter was very common after WW2, but not anymore. Since the 70ies the R's have been voting much more closer along party lines than the D's. For the last 20 years cooperation by R's across the aisle has been completely inexistent whereas there still were and are a few D's that let cooler heads prevail (at least until 2011, that's where the data stop). (click here to open the image in a separate browser tab)

I cannot really respond to this because i am not familiar with this Kinds of charts, so i Need to look more into it to understand the correlation between them and sitting presidents of the time.

As far as i understand the close knitted dots mark a more focused consensus between in the charts.... so it might just mean that the reps have a more defined voting pattern... maybe it is time to have more than just a 2 party system? unfortunately i believe the dems are the ones that would be at a disadvantage if such Thing ever occured.

greenmount · #**6527** 27.03.2017, 08:25

	Quote:	Daaze
	I'm legitimately concerned at this point whether or not you understand the definitions of the words "fact" and "lie."

He's enjoying your concerns enormously...;-)

etefan02 · #**6528** 27.03.2017, 09:12

	Quote:
	Politifact is all lies... because you say so, right?! Seriously, you're hilarious! I'm absolutely loving watching this -- Phos has disappeared, etefan02 is in total denial... Trump's failure was widely predicted but it's still great fun to watch him and his sycophants imploding.

So politifacts is a more reliable source than the own daughter of MLK?

Urs Max · #**6529** 27.03.2017, 09:22

	Quote:	etefan02
	unfortunately i believe the dems are the ones that would be at a disadvantage if such Thing ever occured.

Reps and dems would both lose as a many-parties setup would wreak havoc with the current processes. If no POTUS candidate gets the absolute majority of the electoral college's votes, congress will (have to) declare one of the top three contenders the winner. In the current climate such an outcome would be a boon for conspiracy theorists.

#**6530** 27.03.2017, 10:14

	Quote:	etefan02
	So politifacts is a more reliable source than the own daughter of MLK?

You mean Bernice King? The daughter who reassured a church congregation with the words "God can triumph over Trump"* and circulated advice on Facebook on how to resist Trump's regime?

What's your point?

*Warning -- this is probably a mainstream media (whatever that means) reference

Blueangel · #**6531** 27.03.2017, 10:40

	Quote:	etefan02
	So politifacts is a more reliable source than the own daughter of MLK?

Most likely. His daughters were children when their father died. I was 18 when my father died and know for a fact that his friends knew him better than I did.

MLK said on many, many occasions that he did not align himself with one party or the other as they were both flawed when it came to civil rights, so I'd take his own words over any speculation from others.

meloncollie · #**6532** 27.03.2017, 10:43

Here is the op ed piece that Alveda King (niece of MLK, not daughter) wrote for Newsmax (a conservative-leaning platform) in 2013 retracting her claim that her uncle was a republican:

http://www.newsmax.com/DrAlvedaCKing.../14/id/530880/

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Comments by Coretta Scott King, and the Kings own children pretty much affirm that he was non-partisan, with a healthy distrust of both parties at the time wrt support for the civil rights movement. Easily searchable, choose your source.

marton · #**6533** 27.03.2017, 10:53

	Quote:	meloncollie
	Here is the op ed piece that Alveda King (niece of MLK, not daughter) wrote for Newsmax (a conservative-leaning platform) in 2013 retracting her claim that her uncle was a republican: http://www.newsmax.com/DrAlvedaCKing.../14/id/530880/ --- Comments by Coretta Scott King, and the Kings own children pretty much affirm that he was non-partisan, with a healthy distrust of both parties at the time wrt support for the civil rights movement. Easily searchable, choose your source.

It is OK, we know our newish member posts opinions not facts

etefan02 · #**6534** 27.03.2017, 11:01

	Quote:
	You mean Bernice King? The daughter who reassured a church congregation with the words "God can triumph over Trump"* and circulated advice on Facebook on how to resist Trump's regime? What's your point? *Warning -- this is probably a mainstream media (whatever that means) reference

Irrelevant... MLK was a republican, Trump has nothing to do with it.... like i said politi"fact" is either honestly wrong, or dishonestly ambigous.... dont forget most if not all early black politicians were republicans.

I mean why would you want to join a party that wanted to keep you a slave? The only hard proof that MLK might have been non partisan is an extract from a speech of his:

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	Actually, the Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition of southern Dixiecrats and right wing reactionary northern Republicans defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights.” [The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr: Symbol of the Movement, January 1957 – December 1958. University of California Press. p. 84]

Maybe the reps started to become hypocritic due to the jump of democrats into the republican party O,o.

BTW stop trying to strawman me, and like i said take every single article from the MSM with a grain of salt, they have a history of lying... just because you are not able to find better alternatives does not mean they are reliable.

#**6535** 27.03.2017, 11:26

	Quote:	etefan02
	Irrelevant... MLK was a republican

As stated above, no, he wasn't. Prove it, if you wish to continue stating that he was.

marton · #**6536** 27.03.2017, 11:49

	Quote:	etefan02
	Irrelevant... MLK was a republican, Trump has nothing to do with it.... like i said politi"fact" is either honestly wrong, or dishonestly ambigous.... dont forget most if not all early black politicians were republicans. I mean why would you want to join a party that wanted to keep you a slave? The only hard proof that MLK might have been non partisan is an extract from a speech of his: Maybe the reps started to become hypocritic due to the jump of democrats into the republican party O,o. BTW stop trying to strawman me, and like i said take every single article from the MSM with a grain of salt, they have a history of lying... just because you are not able to find better alternatives does not mean they are reliable.

"why would you want to join a party that wanted to keep you a slave?" Same reason that only 8% of black voters voted for Trump, the rest for Hillary.

"Trump has nothing to do with it." You do know the title of this thread

marton · #**6537** 27.03.2017, 12:03

Lack of support by Priebus on Fox News for Trump's blaming the Democrats for Healthcare Bill failure.

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	“You’re right,” Priebus said to questions on “Fox News Sunday” about President Trump calling out Democrats after the bill died Friday in the GOP-controlled House amid insufficient GOP support. “At the end of the day, it’s time for the party to start governing,” Priebus continued.

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	Priebus also told “Fox News Sunday” that Trump was “100 percent correct” in a tweet earlier in the morning in which the president blamed the Freedom Caucus along with Washington conservative groups Club for Growth and the Heritage Foundation for nixing the overhaul bill, crafted by Ryan and his leadership team.

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Blueangel · #**6538** 27.03.2017, 12:41

	Quote:	marton
	Lack of support by Priebus on Fox News for Trump's blaming the Democrats for Healthcare Bill failure.

And as many pundits forecast, Trevor Noah even did a piece a while ago about Trump being the bus, Trump has thrown Ryan under the bus with this tweet...

	Quote:
	Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...46761704243200

The first 10mins of this show was a character assassination of Ryan, so why did Trump direct his followers towards it? Hmmm...

spalebärg · #**6539** 27.03.2017, 16:33

That's about the size of it

spalebärg · #**6540** 27.03.2017, 16:41

Trump joke

The Donald and the Pope are on a yacht cruise, and a strong wind blows the Popes Mitre (hat) into the ocean.

Of course the Donald volunteers to go get it.

He climbs down the side of his yacht and jumps onto the water and walks along the water, picks up the Mitre and walks back, climbs up the side and hands the cap to the Pope.

The Headlines in the Wall St Journal next morning:

"THE DONALD CAN"T SWIM?"