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In all honesty, I don't think you can even class it as right wing politics. It's just a load of posh thugs who have a lexicon of crowd-pleasing speeches to ensnare enough voters to get themselves a slice of the pie.

That's what people are beginning to see through.
Paradoxically, this is how one of the biggest nightmare of humankind - communism - began. From a few posh thugs that were "concerned" about the working people.
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Back on topic, on one hand, we have an absolute doos in the WH who believes global warming is a hoax, couldn't give a flying eff about the environment, and has just rolled back Obama's climate policy.

On the other hand we have Professor Stephen Hawking who believes global warming is the biggest threat to our species.

My money's on Hawking every day of the week.
"rolled back Obama's climate policy" Not really, he chickened out of reversing the Endangerment Finding (source) so the EPA are still legally obliged to to research ways to reduce the greenhouse gases listed.
Basically he had little choice because campaigners could easily have got the courts to reinstate the Endangerment Finding based on the original evidence supporting the finding.

What he has done so far is window dressing and will have little effect plus probably also challenged in court.

Allowing the sales of coal reserves on Federal land is unlikely to change anything. The main coal mining companies already have billions of tons of reserves and in a declining coal market are unlikely to buy more reserves.

With the gas price crash in recent years combined with the growing interest in renewable energy there is unlikely to ever be a recovery in the market for coal.

So the Trump claim about "lots of clean, beautiful coal" will never happen unless he starts giving the coal industry subsidies which the House will never accept!
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Back on topic, on one hand, we have an absolute doos in the WH who believes global warming is a hoax, couldn't give a flying eff about the environment, and has just rolled back Obama's climate policy.

On the other hand we have Professor Stephen Hawking who believes global warming is the biggest threat to our species.

My money's on Hawking every day of the week.
You make accepting CC theory as probably correct a belief of its own right, something akin to a religion, when it should be exactly not that.

In my mind it doesn't matter that much whether CC theory is correct or not. Our resources are finite, some have already run out, and should be treated with much more care than they are for that simple yet undeniable fact alone.
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In all honesty, I don't think you can even class it as right wing politics. It's just a load of posh thugs who have a lexicon of crowd-pleasing speeches to ensnare enough voters to get themselves a slice of the pie.

That's what people are beginning to see through.
I think the reasons people are "beginning to see through" because they are motivated by yet another group of thugs who are losing their reserved slice of pie they were already working on for a while. The level of post-effect frantic activity, the environment of combat and violence proves it. The ensnaring rhetorics is the same. Anyone with a bit of a dialectic vision is pushed out of sight.

It is unfortunate. I also think that obstructionism won't last so long and will slowly make voters realize that where it originated from. It is discrediting.

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Why would you take Stephen Hawkings opinion on climate change over a geologist who happens to have hard proof?

Everyone is susceptible to being wrong, it does not matter how paralyzed or parodied one is.

Climate change is not something new, it did not start with humans, it will not end with humans, and humans are not the main cause of it(that much is factual, but anything outside of that is up for debate).

Do not believe that Climate policies come out of goodwill or love for nature, if you look deep enough you will find a lot of economical reasons as well as political reasons.

Before i get called a "Climate change denier" think about this.... would you put your job, income, and social status in jeopardy for the truth?

Now asks yourselves who is doing this, and who is not.


EDIT: https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstu...change-k4.html
Look how NASA goes from using words such as "is" to "can" when they get to the part of "What Is Causing Earth's Climate to Change?".
The sudden change in tone when going from definitive Statements to suggestions has to be taken in consideration when accusing others of "denying" climate change.

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I disagree. The one thing that stands out when I compare my children to my own generation is how informed and directed their awareness of contemporary issues is. They are a lot more politically aware than I remember my generation being.

Perhaps it's a Canadian thing. My generation in Canada more or less limited their rebellion to "Freeeeeeeuh, Nelson Mandeeeeeela"
Maybe. maybe not. The focus may have shifted but having grown up in the 1970s and 1980s, more or less at the tail end of the cold war and when political ideology was arguably more anchored than it is today, For example my mother learnt Russian, not for political or ideological reasons but because she was interested in the literature and history. She worked for a government agency and her boss told her in no unclear terms to stop studing it as it would seriously impact her prospects of promotion. But despite all that top down stuff that has fortunately gone away, I do feel we had more pluralism of viewpoints back then and more tolerance towards dissenters. Today it's all about shouting down those you disagree with.
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I think the reasons people are "beginning to see through" because they are motivated by yet another group of thugs who are losing their reserved slice of pie they were already working on for a while. The level of post-effect frantic activity, the environment of combat and violence prooves it. The ensnaring rhetorics is the same. Anyone with a bit of a dialectic vision is pushed out of sight.

It is unfortunate. I also think that obstructionism won't last so long and will slowly make voters realize that where it originated from. It is discrediting.
Or is it that there has always been

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and they are only now on the other side of it so suddenly it's all new and they think they are the first to experience it? I think that is the more likely scenario.

Don't forget it was the current right wingers which were jumping up and down busting a vein at the previous administration's moves. They are just on the other side of the fence now.

Nothing new, nothing to see here...
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Today it's all about shouting down those you disagree with.
It is too bad. Then - watching culturally induced and produced unwillingness to accept plurality or complexity of issues, is depressing. I actually think it is worse for one's mind than living in an opressice regime but surrounded but a culture of dissent.

Btw, it was the opposite in our homes, we had Russian pushed on us in schools but secretely learning English with parents forbidding us telling anyone. Since it only meant being ostracised even more.

I think the desire to look for a leader/accepted, respected authority is also a product of a certain culture. Being cognitively dependent. It is not an Eastern thing, me thinks. Where I am from, there is a strong distrust in centric, all governing "leader" or gov. Even president was considered a symbol, the work must be done by individuals. "Society" does not really exist. It is a blanket term abused to justify push for particular interests. I do think that the need to be represented ultimately makes one less accountable. It is a bit logical.

Trump is not a savior and cannot save anyone even if it was his mission. But if people stop the hysterics maybe there is a chance to see what they can improve, themselves.
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I don't even believe half of this would be happening if there was a decent music scene going on, but it's all so vanilla at the moment that politics and religion are the routes for rebellious youth. In all seriousness, when I think of the defining influences of the era I grew up in (punk, ska, rock, Yorkshire Ripper, IRA, riots) and look at today, I feel damned sorry for the youth. It must be bloody boring by comparison.
It's interesting, this is the first time I've been made aware of the connection between the music scene and the other "routes". I find it plausible.
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Why would you take Stephen Hawkings opinion on climate change over a geologist who happens to have hard proof?
In my last job, I worked with a few geologists and had long conversations with them on the matter. Because of their employer, they were limited in what they could say, but were very clear in their belief that it's real.
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Before i get called a "Climate change denier" think about this.... would you put your job, income, and social status in jeopardy for the truth?
I don't 'do' social status, but have put my job and income on the line more times than I care to mention for the truth. Sometimes in life, there's no alternative but to do so.
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Perhaps it's a Canadian thing. My generation in Canada more or less limited their rebellion to "Freeeeeeeuh, Nelson Mandeeeeeela"
Possibly. It's relative.
Rebellion for my OH was being to first kid in school to own a black market Bob Marley album, and for his brothers it was playing Rodriguez / Sugarman albums. But they were living under a regime and didn't have tv.
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Rebellion for me was going to university.


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Trump is not a savior and cannot save anyone even if it was his mission. But if people stop the hysterics maybe there is a chance to see what they can improve, themselves.
Seems to be a Pavlov-dog response from team Trump. Run out of justifications? Simply label any nay-sayers as "hysterical". That ought to give some sage weight to the opinions, eh?

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Seems to be a Pavlov-dog response from team Trump. Run out of justifications? Simply label any nay-sayers as "hysterical". That ought to give some sage weight to the opinions, eh?

I'm not hysterical.


I just think Mr Trump is a dick.
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Simply label any nay-sayers as "hysterical". That ought to give some sage weight to the opinions, eh?

Haven't been hysterical since 30 June 1998 when Sol Campbell's goal was disallowed, but that was fuelled by copious amounts of Diamond White and horrendous decisions from the Danish referee. *still seething*
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I just think Mr Trump is a dick.
Ditto.
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In my last job, I worked with a few geologists and had long conversations with them on the matter. Because of their employer, they were limited in what they could say, but were very clear in their belief that it's real.
I don't 'do' social status, but have put my job and income on the line more times than I care to mention for the truth. Sometimes in life, there's no alternative but to do so.


I very clearly pointed out that climate change has happened since forever...
and that they have hard proof of it happening since forever... the way you phrase me makes it look as if i said that the climate is exactly the same as it was a million years ago.
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...the way you phrase me makes it look as if i said that the climate is exactly the same as it was a million years ago.
I made no comment on global warming. I merely adressed the point you made regarding how far someone would go for the truth. Sometimes, a matter of principle must overtake any feelings of job or economic security.
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Do not believe that Climate policies come out of goodwill or love for nature, if you look deep enough you will find a lot of economical reasons as well as political reasons.

Before i get called a "Climate change denier" think about this.... would you put your job, income, and social status in jeopardy for the truth?
Refuting CC, or any other big theory, is a scientists ultimate dream. So yes, a good many wouldn't hesitate one millisecond, perhaps the majority.

As for the NASA thing: Look up the meaning of "theory" in a scientific sense.
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Why would you take Stephen Hawkings opinion on climate change over a geologist who happens to have hard proof?
Why would a geologist have hard proof? Climate is nothing much to do with rocks.

Climate does, otoh, have a fair bit to do with physics (although admittedly not particularly astrophysics)
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Trump has been a complete failure.

His thread, the greatest thread, has 1800 fewer replies than one about Brexit.
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