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Old 04.05.2017, 21:40
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Key points from BBC's article. If these are kept through the Senate version and it passes, I don't see how people in the general population will be happy. Premiums will rise, and people will lose coverage.

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What's changed from Obamacare?
  • The new bill repeals the individual mandate requiring those who can afford it to have health insurance. Those have who been without coverage for more than two months would face a 30% surcharge for new policy.
  • It repeals Obamacare's requirement for companies with 50 or more staff to provide insurance coverage for employees.
  • It keeps the popular Obamacare element allowing children and young people to stay covered on their parents' policies up until age 26.
  • It would enable insurers to charge at least five times as much to older customers.
  • It enables states to opt out of the guarantee to provide healthcare to people with pre-existing conditions.
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Old 04.05.2017, 22:16
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Obamacare:

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Old 04.05.2017, 22:29
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So, "Goodbye Obamacare" and "Hello Trumpcare". Congratulations Republicans. You just shot yourselves in the foot for a short-lived feelgood moment. Enjoy it while it lasts!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/u...=top-news&_r=0
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Old 05.05.2017, 08:57
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump really is totally clueless -- or the Democrat stooge that DB has always believed him to be.

Just moments after he finally had his very watered-down and frankly awful for anyone who actually gets sick Trumpcare pass the House, Trump stated that Australia has "better healthcare than we do".

Well, at least he's right about something. Note, Australia has Medicare: universal free healthcare for all residents.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:07
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Shouldn't worry, the Senate doesn't look like it's going to pass it so it'll be back to square one for Trump.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:10
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Trump really is totally clueless -- or the Democrat stooge that DB has always believed him to be.

Just moments after he finally had his very watered-down and frankly awful for anyone who actually gets sick Trumpcare pass the House, Trump stated that Australia has "better healthcare than we do".

Well, at least he's right about something. Note, Australia has Medicare: universal free healthcare for all residents.
Trump clueless?

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When President Donald Trump signed an executive order promoting religious liberty on Thursday, he singled out the US military for preventing troops from receiving religious items.

"People were forbidden from giving or receiving religious items at a military hospital where our brave service members were being treated, and when they wanted those religious items," Trump said at the signing ceremony.
This has got the Pentagon confused because there is no such prohibition!

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Trump just makes it up as he goes along, so long as his base believe him I guess it does not matter?
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:22
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This has got the Pentagon confused because there is no such prohibition!

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Trump just makes it up as he goes along, so long as his base believe him I guess it does not matter?
Gee, hadn't you realised that by now.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:31
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Still find it remarkable how people that aren't American or who don't live there are so interested in US health policy and gun regulation.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:39
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Shouldn't worry, the Senate doesn't look like it's going to pass it so it'll be back to square one for Trump.
Very hard to forecast next steps.

Likely the Senate will make some changes which will require the bill to go back to the House for approval which is not guaranteed and may require more than a simple House majority.
Also some archaic rule "Byrd Rule" will cause some complications!

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BTW, Senate approved the finance Bill to avoid Govt. shutdown so long as Trump actually signs the Bill.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:40
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Still find it remarkable how people that aren't American or who don't live there are so interested in US health policy and gun regulation.
Not as remarkable as you posting in this thread when you "aren't American or don't live there "
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:48
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Not as remarkable as you posting in this thread when you "aren't American or don't live there "
Not when you don't care.
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Old 05.05.2017, 09:59
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Still find it remarkable how people that aren't American or who don't live there are so interested in US health policy and gun regulation.
Not everyone on EF sits in a bubble in safe Switzerland.

Most of you take it as a given that you can be treated if you fall sick, never give it a second thought. Think about how your lives would be altered if that were taken away from you.

Many of us have family and loved ones in the US who will lose their healthcare, whose lives will be turned upside. So yeah, we care.

Some of us will have return to the US on retiring, and face an old age without healthcare. So yeah, we care.

Just spoke with a relative whose daughter was recently diagnosed with cancer. The daughter was then fired from her job, which meant she lost her healthcare. She turned to the ACA marketplace. Thank doG it still exists, as there is no way she could get insurance without it, and without insurance she can't get treatment.

My relative was talking about her worries if the ACA is dismantled, and musing about turning to crowdfunding to pay for her daughter's treatment. Think about it: one serious illness can bankrupt an extended family, that Americans even have to contemplate resorting to begging (which is what crowdfunding is) to get life saving healthcare is wrong on so many levels.

This is not how a civilized society works.

So yeah, I care. And I am very worried for the future, both mine, and my loved ones'.
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Old 05.05.2017, 10:12
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Not everyone on EF sits in a bubble in safe Switzerland.

Most of you take it as a given that you can be treated if you fall sick, never give it a second thought. Think about how your lives would be altered if that were taken away from you.

Many of us have family and loved ones in the US who will lose their healthcare, whose lives will be turned upside. So yeah, we care.

Some of us will have return to the US on retiring, and face an old age without healthcare. So yeah, we care.

Just spoke with a relative whose daughter was recently diagnosed with cancer. The daughter was then fired from her job, which meant she lost her healthcare. She turned to the ACA marketplace. Thank doG it still exists, as there is no way she could get insurance without it, and without insurance she can't get treatment.

My relative was talking about her worries if the ACA is dismantled, and musing about turning to crowdfunding to pay for her daughter's treatment. Think about it: one serious illness can bankrupt an extended family, that Americans even have to contemplate resorting to begging (which is what crowdfunding is) to get life saving healthcare is wrong on so many levels.

This is not how a civilized society works.

So yeah, I care. And I am very worried for the future, both mine, and my loved ones'.
So you're American then?
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Old 05.05.2017, 10:21
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Not as remarkable as you posting in this thread when you "aren't American or don't live there "
It's almost like countries outside our own are totally inaccessible and irrelevant. Why should we care?


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Still find it remarkable how people that aren't American or who don't live there are so interested in US health policy and gun regulation.
I travel there on business; I'm concerned about nutters with guns.
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Old 05.05.2017, 10:27
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I guess it all comes down to how you feel about humanity in general.
If one cares about the greater good of all humans (because we're humans! :P ), then this is a relevant topic to discuss.

If one is like the majority of people in the world, and family and friends come first---strangers, and people not known: who cares! Then the situation in the US is probably irrelevant.
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So you're American then?
Yes, I'm an American - but one who doesn't live there, which was one of your stipulations.

For now I live in safe cozy Switzerland, where my health coverage is guaranteed and is not overly expensive, where I don't have to worry that a job loss also means loss of healthcare, where a sudden illness can mean a choice between bankrupting my family or foregoing treatment and dying.

But the people I love may soon face this. How can I not care?

It's easy to become smug in our comfort here in the Alpine paradise, we forget that many of us landed here through sheer luck or accident. What would our lives have been like elsewhere? Why is it difficult to understand empathy, and activism, for those outside the bubble, those less fortunate?

Thanks to my citizenship, thanks to my family ties, thanks to the boatload o' US tax I pay every year, I will always have skin in the game, no matter where I live.

I also have a vote - and I urge all of you to keep up the pressure on your senators. And please: Vote in the midterms, hold those congressional republicans responsible.
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Still find it remarkable how people that aren't American or who don't live there are so interested in US health policy and gun regulation.
Sort of presumptuous for you to assume that people aren't US citzens or have other interests. Yes, I'm still a US citizen, so I do care, even though I probably won't return to the US....at least not in the short term. But I have familiy and friends there.

In fact, I have a large network of friends who, like me, have been treated for or have active breast cancer. Some of these folks could face yearly insurance premiums costing more than $100,000. That's bullshit. Also, if you're over 50, an insurer can drastically raise your premium.

But here's another reason why health policy in the US matters for more than self interested reasons. Research. If health systems tank in the US, it will impact universities and research institutions. Lots of research happens in the US, but will it continue?

And it's just the unfairness and pettiness of the whole thing. If Obamacare really sucked so much, then why did Congress keep it for themselves whie giving the shaft to the rest of the country?
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BTW, Senate approved the finance Bill to avoid Govt. shutdown so long as Trump actually signs the Bill.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the financing until September. Trump however is speaking about September as kind of a starting point (my impression) so he means the budget for the coming financial year that starts in October.

I won't complain if that turns out to be a non-issue, quite the contrary.
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