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Old 23.06.2017, 08:43
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Since Donald Trump was elected President of the USA, has there been one piece of legislation that was not the result of a direct presidential order?

I have the impression the USA is now run by a dictator, am I mistaken?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Lots I expect, but that's just day to day Congressional business. Much more "interesting" to the media to see Trump signing yet another order.

Meanwhile Johnny Depp is the latest to "threaten" to kill Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40377075

Key phrase there is "I lie for a living". He's been caught out before lying about things he's done in his life so take what he said with a large pinch of salt.
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Old 23.06.2017, 09:39
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The UK will bring in a system similar to the Swiss or Oz one so the skills they need will be allowed in. That's always been the case.
...you mean that Swiss system that has FMOP with the EU?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

No, the one for non-EU or in the UK's case for non-UK nationals.
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Old 23.06.2017, 11:19
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And so she should be. 336,000 more immigrants since 2015!

"Net migration of 336,000 accounted for 62.4%, while the difference between birth and death rates made up 35.8%."

"Net international migration continued to be the main driver, but there was also an increase in births and fewer deaths than last year."

The population of the UK has increased by just over five million in 11 years - previously it took 35 years, from 1970 to 2005, to make the same leap.

Population change in the UK has averaged 482,000 a year over the past decade."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40372533

Such numbers cannot be sustained and must be brought under control.
But every year there were more non-EU immigrants than EU and non-EU visas are controlled; in 2016 the gross numbers were (the net numbers you quote account for emigrants) were EU 250,000 and non-EU 264,000.

Anybody who believes Theresa will reduce immigration to "tens of thousands" is living in a fantasy world.

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Old 23.06.2017, 15:35
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As the trailing spouse of said emigrant/expat yes I do say restrictions are needed. We came here long before the Free Movement Agreement was enacted here, but no problem in getting a permit as husband is an expert in his field and no one else in Switzerland who could do what he does. Nearly 20 years later that's still the case.
Doesn't change the fact that you're a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Why? Because I don't appreciate economic migrants rocking up on our shores because they can't get in any other way? We got here legitimately. If that offends you, sorry.
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Anybody who believes Theresa will reduce immigration to "tens of thousands" is living in a fantasy world.
The only way to do that is to scrap most of the current legitimate immigration routes.

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The population of the UK has increased by just over five million in 11 years - previously it took 35 years, from 1970 to 2005, to make the same leap.

Population change in the UK has averaged 482,000 a year over the past decade.

Such numbers cannot be sustained and must be brought under control.
In other words time to brick up the Chunnel?

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No, the one for non-EU or in the UK's case for non-UK nationals.
Oh, like the one the UK has always had?
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Old 23.06.2017, 16:56
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Lots I expect, but that's just day to day Congressional business. Much more "interesting" to the media to see Trump signing yet another order.

Meanwhile Johnny Depp is the latest to "threaten" to kill Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40377075

Key phrase there is "I lie for a living". He's been caught out before lying about things he's done in his life so take what he said with a large pinch of salt.
But see, we should be paying attention to what congress is doing rather than bombastic ravings of the loon in chief.
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Why? Because I don't appreciate economic migrants rocking up on our shores because they can't get in any other way? We got here legitimately. If that offends you, sorry.

A classic case of "f#ck you, got mine" if I ever saw it.


What offends me, personally, is that you seem to think being the spouse of someone with a marketable skill makes you more valuable to your host country than one of those dirty "economic migrants". Why don't we ever refer to British IT workers as economic migrants?
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A classic case of "f#ck you, got mine" if I ever saw it.
But has she really got hers? She's on a C-permit. She is not Swiss! So she is by no means 'home and dry' as it were, for as she herself has said on a number of occasions, it is only Swiss passport holders who have the right to remain here indefinitely.

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Old 23.06.2017, 17:30
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Since Donald Trump was elected President of the USA, has there been one piece of legislation that was not the result of a direct presidential order?

I have the impression the USA is now run by a dictator, am I mistaken?
Yes. Since Trump took office, Congress has passed 42 pieces of legislation through both houses. Of those, 40 are now signed into law and 2 are still pending Trump's signature. Many of these are rolling back previous regulations from various departments (Labor, Education, Energy to name a few). Source, if you need a cure for insomnia.

Trump has signed 37 executive orders so far in his young presidency. While not "laws" in the traditional sense, they do have legal weight so long as they don't violate the Constitution or existing laws. Thus the reason for some of the court activity so far. Source.

Dictator? Not yet. Buffoon? Most certainly.
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Trump has signed 37 executive orders so far in his young presidency.
And is that a lot for the time he has been in office?
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Old 23.06.2017, 18:15
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But has she really got hers? She's on a C-permit. She is not Swiss!
The "immigrant" scenario I was referring to was Medea's naturalisation as a British citizen; iirc, she is an American who acquired British citizenship and now objects to others emigrating to the U.K. Since then, Medea moved to CH as a trailing spouse and has taken up the cudgels again.
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The "immigrant" scenario I was referring to was Medea's naturalisation as a British citizen; iirc, she is an American who acquired British citizenship and now objects to others emigrating to the U.K. Since then, Medea moved to CH as a trailing spouse and has taken up the cudgels again.
Understood. Well since she hasn't naturalised again here in CH ... like many of us she is here on a C-permit... so semi-safe for the long-term stay... but never 100% safe...
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Old 23.06.2017, 18:27
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And is that a lot for the time he has been in office?
Compared to several of the more recent presidents, I'd say yes. If you look at this list, Trump is on track for an average of 90 executive orders per year in office. That's assuming he stays 4 years or more.

Bush 43 and Obama averaged 36.4 and 34.6 EOs per year, so less than Trump has in 6 months.

You have to go back 12 presidents to Harry S Truman to get someone with that level of executive ordering going around (average of 116 per year). The closest "recent" president is Carter, with an average of 80 per year.

Since Trump is accustomed to a CEO role, I expect he will use more EOs than his recent predecessors. If he gets a full 8 years, maybe he'll match up with FDR's average of 308 per year. He seems to think he's the greatest president since FDR, so I guess that's a goal...
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Compared to several of the more recent presidents, I'd say yes.

Since Trump is accustomed to a CEO role, I expect he will use more EOs than his recent predecessors. If he gets a full 8 years, maybe he'll match up with FDR's average of 308 per year. He seems to think he's the greatest president since FDR, so I guess that's a goal...
So can we perhaps say he is actually doing something, doing his job, really working hard, trying to implement change? Is America changing under Trump?
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Why? Because I don't appreciate economic migrants rocking up on our shores because they can't get in any other way? We got here legitimately. If that offends you, sorry.
Not all economic migrants are illegal. Presumably you and your other half migrated to Switzerland (at least in part) because of the economic opportunities, not just because you like chocolate and cheese.

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So can we perhaps say he is actually doing something, doing his job, really working hard, trying to implement change? Is America changing under Trump?
It's a bit of a loaded question because he's so unconventional. He is trying to implement change, starting with the number of executive orders and bringing in millionaires with no public sector experience to run various cabinet departments. No one since Kennedy has had so much family involved in the inner workings of the administration. No one has ever had the level of worldwide business contacts and private wealth that can lead to conflicts of interest at best, and serious legal tangles at worst.

It remains to be seen whether the changes he and the Republicans are implementing will benefit average Americans or simply make the divide between the rich and poor even larger.
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Yes. Since Trump took office, Congress has passed 42 pieces of legislation through both houses. Of those, 40 are now signed into law and 2 are still pending Trump's signature. Many of these are rolling back previous regulations from various departments (Labor, Education, Energy to name a few). Source, if you need a cure for insomnia.

Trump has signed 37 executive orders so far in his young presidency. While not "laws" in the traditional sense, they do have legal weight so long as they don't violate the Constitution or existing laws. Thus the reason for some of the court activity so far. Source.

Dictator? Not yet. Buffoon? Most certainly.
Thanks, it isn't very obvious to me that Congress and HoR are doing anything. The press are not reporting the day to day stuff.
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