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Old 27.06.2017, 15:44
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smilies? what are you talking about? did you even click the link? and scroll perhaps?

it is not simply a matter of spinning some story. you have to assume the worst. the journalists you hold in high regard? they are no different from me apart from occupation: assholes with an opinion. you take affront to my style? i am not alone in that as well - it is the current political discourse (in case you havent noticed)

the problem is that many still take the msm very serious, because back in the day it's all you had. and that lingers especially in older minds. like how kids refuse to stop believing in santa when told he is fake. imagine trying to convince the kid when hes 60 years old.

and anyway, it was just a jab at your age... imagine being called a racist piece of shit for literally nothing at all. see what that does to your willingness to discuss. hell, you might still be willing yourself. the accusers maybe not so much. effective tactics.
Lol!
Quoting the CNN fake news media!

Heard it all now
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Old 27.06.2017, 15:47
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Lol!
Quoting the CNN fake news media!

Heard it all now
That is a reputed leak about fake news, -1*-1=1. Faking fake news makes it true again.

Elementary, my dear Marton.
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Old 27.06.2017, 17:07
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That is a reputed leak about fake news, -1*-1=1. Faking fake news makes it true again.

Elementary, my dear Marton.
Ah, Bistromathics from HGTTG

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So I guess this does prove CNN to be fake news.


Three CNN journalists resign after Trump aide article removed
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So I guess this does prove CNN to be fake news.
Three CNN journalists resign after Trump aide article removed
Classy reaction by Scaramucci:
"@CNN did the right thing. Classy move. Apology accepted. Everyone makes mistakes. Moving on," he tweeted on Saturday.
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Old 27.06.2017, 19:00
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I suggest we all open It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis,
The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner, and start reading

(and Huxley's Brave New World while we are at it)
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Old 27.06.2017, 19:02
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Lol!
Quoting the CNN fake news media!

Heard it all now
rofl you're so eager.

you just read the title didnt you, scared of getting your infobubble popped.
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rofl you're so eager.

you just read the title didnt you, scared of getting your infobubble popped.
Actually, no. I watched it for about half of the duration... You keep positing this sort of timid willful ignorance on me (or anyone who disagrees with you). It's kind of fresh, but a bit tedious. Sort of like people who keep repeating "You're not listening to me." or "I'm not being critical, just honest.", rather than actually having something cogent or even entertaining to say.
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Old 27.06.2017, 19:12
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rofl you're so eager.

you just read the title didnt you, scared of getting your infobubble popped.
Why would I want to read fake news?

Like you I prefer the internet; and for example yesterday from the Palmer report
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Must be true it is in this newfangled internet!!
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Old 27.06.2017, 20:47
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

With at least 4 Republican senators publicly saying they will vote 'no', McConnell has delayed voting on his health care bill until after the recess:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/u...T.nav=top-news

It looks like some senators are starting to take notice of their constitutients' reactions to the bill:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...39981?lo=ap_b1

So keep up the pressure folks - call and write your senators weekly. Don't let the urgency fade during the recess, make your opinions known. It doesn't matter whether your senator is a democrat or republican, keep contacting him or her. Our voices need to be heard.
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Old 27.06.2017, 21:32
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With at least 4 Republican senators publicly saying they will vote 'no', McConnell has delayed voting on his health care bill until after the recess:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/u...T.nav=top-news

It looks like some senators are starting to take notice of their constitutients' reactions to the bill:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...39981?lo=ap_b1

So keep up the pressure folks - call and write your senators weekly. Don't let the urgency fade during the recess, make your opinions known. It doesn't matter whether your senator is a democrat or republican, keep contacting him or her. Our voices need to be heard.
"McConnell has delayed voting on his health care bill until after the recess" Real face slap for McConnell, he has been pushing really hard for a vote this week.

The GOP are using the Reconciliation process which permits legislation to pass the Senate with only a simple majority of members supporting it, but the bill must also comply with a set of chamber rules governing the process.

It is not clear that the Parliamentarian has confirmed that the bill actually complies.
If not the GOP could vote to ignore the agreed process but then that would set a precedent for Democrats to use in future and anyway might not go down well with all their GOP Senators.

Anyway they are under time pressure to create and pass legislation on tax reform and the new budget for the next 2018 period which are supposed to be finished in September and so cannot afford to spend too much time on healthcare.

Amazing how the GOP have been saying for 7 years their priority is to repeal Obamacare and now they have all the majorities they need it is incredible that they cannot agree on the content of the Bill.

Given that Trump failed to meet the statutory deadline of February 6 for his budget proposal and passage of a budget resolution by the April 15 statutory deadline did not happen then it is clear the whole Budget process is in limp mode (BTW this is not unusual!)

Similar to badly managed projects; the final dates are set but if the initial steps are not on time then they finish up with a panic and poorly considered results as they approach the end game.
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Old 28.06.2017, 00:42
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Why would I want to read fake news?
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Old 28.06.2017, 10:30
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Toe-curling...


But I'm eagerly awaiting the Trump Tweet explaining it all away as someone else's fault or that his version is the correct one, or, or, or....
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Old 28.06.2017, 12:22
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With all the fuss about pulling the healthcare vote little was published about the increasing delays in the budget process which in turn delays tax reform.

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Republican efforts to overhaul the U.S. tax code have hit a snag in the House of Representatives, where party infighting over spending cuts is delaying adoption of a key legislative tool that the party needs to move a tax bill forward.

The House Budget Committee canceled plans to send a budget resolution for fiscal 2018 to the floor this week, lawmakers said on Tuesday, as conservative Republicans pushed to add hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to the spending blueprint that would take effect Oct. 1.
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Theoretically this budget resolution should have been passed end of April!

Increasingly looking like Trump's major campaign promises about repealing healthcare, tax reform and improved budget will fail but ironically due to no fault of his but due to the GOP failing to work together.

GOP should have spent the last four years forging consensus amongst their law makers, now it is a bit late and maybe not even possible.

Trump has several times said that he hopes the budget process will fail and cause Govt shut down in the Autumn. He hopes this will enable him to blame the Democrats but with GOP majorities in House and Senate then this is a risky strategy with little credibility.
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Old 28.06.2017, 17:05
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The travel ban gets the go-aheard: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40408011

Tom
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Old 28.06.2017, 17:10
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"US President Donald Trump has broken a nearly 20-year-old tradition by failing to host a dinner marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

The White House event had been held every year since President Clinton's tenure.

The Eid al-Fitr feast ends Ramadan, a period when Muslims fast and focus on charitable giving.

But US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson reportedly rejected a request to hold a reception.

In May, Reuters said Mr Tillerson had refused a recommendation from the State Department's office of religion and global affairs to organise a celebration."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40402211
So the WH normally hosts a Ramadan dinner?

How does that square to separation of church and state?
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So the WH normally hosts a Ramadan dinner?

How does that square to separation of church and state?
Doesn't the meaning of that involve the church having some kind of tangible influence over the state and its politics?

WH decorates for Christmas and presumably has a celebratory dinner, and then there's the Easter egg roll (OK, so they didn't run that either this year). I imagine they do some kind of Hanukkah thing, too, right?

Observing different events in the calendar doesn't really constitute interference in the state politics, does it?
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Exactly.

The First Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."


As much as I dislike using Wiki in an argument, this is a good summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...s_Constitution

The extent to which church and state must be separate is a much debated issue, and interpretations and rulings have changed over time.

Just this week the Supreme Court's ruling in Trinity Lutheran v Comer could make for some interesting times:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...theran/531399/
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The travel ban gets the go-aheard: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40408011

Tom
Not really, from the link;
"The path to entry into the US for immigrants and refugees from the affected nations, if they don't have existing ties to the US - either through family, schools or employment - just became considerably harder."

Those prospective immigrants without existing ties to the US would not have got immigrant visas anyway!
Does make it harder for the refugees; poor people!
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Warning: The following is based on personal anecdotes and not a representative sample.

I've been having lots of conversations about apprenticeships with folks back home, as many are keen to hear about the Swiss model.

Based on these conversations, though, I am a bit worried about how implementation of a widespread apprenticeship program in the US in the form that educators and communitiy leaders I have spoken to seem to view such programs could affect the US going forward.

You see, the Swiss system seems to work largely because there seems to be a cultural view that an apprenticeship is as valued a path as other educational routes.

We do not have that view in the US - and therein lies what worries me. In my conversations with folks in the US a rather ugly side to the promotion of apprenticeships consistently crops up.

You see, every single promoter of apprenticeships in the US I have spoken to is keen on such programs for other people's children. Their own children, of course, will go to university. Of course.

This isn't overt elitism - it's worse. It's so bone deep that it's unconscious.

America is facing a very dangerous moment. The disdain, largely unconscious, of those who have have for those who have not is a large part of what brought us to this crisis point.

Education has always been the great leveler in American society. I am worried that we are on the verge of losing that. In all this talk of 'university isn't for everybody' I see a (perhaps unconscious) darker motivation behind disuading a large swathe of our young people from pursuing higher education. 'They' don't need to read Shakespeare, Aristotle, Newton. No, that's for 'us'.

I'm not saying that an emphasis on apprenticeships as an alternative path is the wrong way to go, far from it. The idea certainly has merit. Heck, back my grandfather's day the Chicago tech (trade) schools were something to be proud of.

(Note to Betsy DeVos: Yep, public schools. )

I simply am feeling uncomfortable with what I see as a bias underlying these conversations today.

I remain open to various ideas and changes... but I firmly believe that educational opportunity is what made the American Dream possible, and I want to see those opportunities available to future generations.
Excellent post, meloncollie. Even though you modestly refer to your post as "anecdotes" and personal notes, not strangely, all these ideas seem to describe quite accurately the turmoil that many other education systems encounter. There is a push for reforming education systems that have been already reformed, decades ago, from the exact system that people seem to want to return to. I think there's still a lot more work to do to find a middle way that will actually improve something and give everyone a fair chance.
I am with you on this one, although I think I can also partially agree with other people who favour more the apprenticeships.
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