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I kind of see your point, but I'm not sure the punishment for stupidity (likely the fault of the educational system and bad parenting, i.e. not necessarily the afflicted's fault) should be death.


Perhaps, but one can argue that blind voting for a political party without considering the effect of their policies on you and your family sometimes has severe consequences.

And, sometimes, those consequences will mean people die.


voting for the Rs because they promised to bring coal back, and ignoring every other policy they had, was madness. Understanding this didnt require a good education or a good upbringing, just sane reasoning and logic.
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Perhaps, but one can argue that blind voting for a political party without considering the effect of their policies on you and your family sometimes has severe consequences.

And, sometimes, those consequences will mean people die.


voting for the Rs because they promised to bring coal back, and ignoring every other policy they had, was madness. Understanding this didnt require a good education or a good upbringing, just sane reasoning and logic.
I suppose if your news diet consists soully of Fox and perhaps some even wackier right wing websites, then you'll think that The Don will be "fixing" Healthcare, not removing access to it. He never once publicised the fact that his plan was to completely nix Obamacare/ACA AND not replace it for affected people - they all assumed they were going to get better and cheaper premiums! #WINNING
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I suppose if your news diet consists soully of Fox and perhaps some even wackier right wing websites, then you'll think that The Don will be "fixing" Healthcare, not removing access to it. He never once publicised the fact that his plan was to completely nix Obamacare/ACA AND not replace it for affected people - they all assumed they were going to get better and cheaper premiums! #WINNING

Youre absolutely right, they assumed they would get something better and cheaper.


But then, you know what they say about those who 'assume'. It seems that has certainly transpired.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

On a 'It would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening' note:

NPR tweeted out the Declaration Of Independence yesterday, an extension of their annual reading of our founding document.

Apparently a number of users didn't realize what they were reading and were angered at the 'liberal elite biased propaganda'.


Time for a group face palm, methinks.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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On a 'It would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening' note:

NPR tweeted out the Declaration Of Independence yesterday, an extension of their annual reading of our founding document.

Apparently a number of users didn't realize what they were reading and were angered at the 'liberal elite biased propaganda'.


Time for a group face palm, methinks.
LOL!
Indeed!

The sentence which really got Trump supporters raving and tweeting defence and denials was "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people." which is, as was said, a direct quote from the US Declaration Of Independence.

This simultaneously proves what even Trump supporters think of Trump and also that such supporters are not the brightest bulbs on the tree
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Old 05.07.2017, 14:03
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Perhaps, but one can argue that blind voting for a political party without considering the effect of their policies on you and your family sometimes has severe consequences.

And, sometimes, those consequences will mean people die.


voting for the Rs because they promised to bring coal back, and ignoring every other policy they had, was madness. Understanding this didnt require a good education or a good upbringing, just sane reasoning and logic.
Very true.
Sad for the people who voted for coal
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The United States is closing 46 coal-fired generating units at 25 electricity plants across 16 states over the next few years, reducing demand by 30 million tons per year.
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The problem for Trump is the coal market is going away, natural gas is both plentiful and a much cheaper energy producer. Does not matter how much Trump destroys existing laws about climate; the coal market is fading for economic reasons.
Plus wind and solar energy production is also getting cheaper.

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LOL!
Indeed!

The sentence which really got Trump supporters raving and tweeting defence and denials was "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people." which is, as was said, a direct quote from the US Declaration Of Independence.

This simultaneously proves what even Trump supporters think of Trump and also that such supporters are not the brightest bulbs on the tree

Honestly, its quite a sad thought...millions of americans, from so many generations, each contributed in their own little way, to make America a great nation, since independance.


And now, the sacrifices of those millions is being washed out of history and into irrelevance by this tangerine tinted buffoon.
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But surely this "opoid epidemic" is mostly the result of over prescription and over use of prescription drugs?
So the cost for the people is generally not so high as with illegal drugs.
Of course depression is the main driver for taking these.
Opioids are used as pain killers relievers.

Technically it was of course overuse because the patient/user should have stopped much earlier. But that's a moot point as under the current regime self-limitation doesn't work: When the user notices the problem it's already far too late. As things stand both doctor and patient have incentives/motivaton to (over)prescribe and (over)use them.

You need to remove the incentives/motivators. Unfortunately that means going against doctor's associations and big pharma.

Come to think of it, who of the two presidential candidates had something like that on his/her agenda?
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Old 05.07.2017, 19:39
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As posted before
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President Trump may be helping "Morning Joe" get higher viewer ratings.

The MSNBC show hosted by Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough received its highest viewership ever on Friday for a discussion of Trump’s critical tweets about their show.

Despite Trump claiming the show has poor ratings MSNBC has seen a rise in its ratings in recent months, beating Fox News and also beating "Fox & Friends," the AP reported
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The law of unexpected side effects strike again!
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Old 05.07.2017, 20:49
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As posted before


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The law of unexpected side effects strike again!
Not really unexpected. The booming effect of "Negativwerbung" (negative publicity) has been discovered long ago.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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On a 'It would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening' note:

NPR tweeted out the Declaration Of Independence yesterday, an extension of their annual reading of our founding document.

Apparently a number of users didn't realize what they were reading and were angered at the 'liberal elite biased propaganda'.

Time for a group face palm, methinks.
When I read that on the Washington Post I thought for a moment I had clicked the wrong link and landed on an article from The Onion. Can't make this s*it up.

The whole thing is sad to say the least, but I'll admit the comments below the article were very entertaining. My favorite (paraphrased): "They should make natural-born Americans take the same test they give to folks who sit for the U.S. citizenship exam - at the poll before they are allowed to vote".
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And whatever ethics the government may have had have just gone out the window.

"The US government's top ethics watchdog has announced his intention to resign, after repeatedly clashing with President Donald Trump.

Walter Shaub, director of the Office of Government Ethics (OGE), will leave his post on 19 July.

"In working with the current administration, it has become clear to me that we need improvements to the existing ethics programme," he said."

And from the analysis further down the page:

"The job of a government ethics watchdog is almost always a thankless one. In the age of Trump, however, it was more than that. It was pointless. The president and his staff are the ones who determine what is and isn't ethical. They're setting their own rules, and they are the only ones holding themselves accountable."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40522488
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The look on DT's face Wasn't she supposed to shake the First Lady's hand first? Etiquette?

http://time.com/4847276/donald-trump...uda-handshake/
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The look on DT's face Wasn't she supposed to shake the First Lady's hand first? Etiquette?

http://time.com/4847276/donald-trump...uda-handshake/
Of course, he was too eager......

Nothing as serious as the press want to make it though. Melania was gorgeous...say what you want but I'll give her that.
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The look on DT's face Wasn't she supposed to shake the First Lady's hand first? Etiquette?

http://time.com/4847276/donald-trump...uda-handshake/
Actually, the look of cluelessness which seems to be his default facial expression when not at a podium is one of the few things that makes him seem human.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Remember this one? Frau Merkel seemed to be having a great time though

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7635911.html
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Merkel is in a tight spot because she has election coming up and a public that is anti trump but at the same time there are serious issues that must be discussed by the world leaders...


Massive number of people traveled to Hamburg:


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Trump has to be nice to Merkel--Germany's love of coal could be a great for Trump's plans to increase coal export
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What a speech!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...64346519187456
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Trump has to be nice to Merkel--Germany's love of coal could be a great for Trump's plans to increase coal export
Strange situation.
Foreign policy is all about having and staying with long term strategies. Now the US is represented at this summit by someone whose policy is to do the unexpected and to make matters worse is constantly looking for short term wins.

During Trump's Middle East trip the Saudi's tricked him into supporting their action against Qatar which both the Pentagon and the State Department later strongly rejected

Who knows what surprises Trump will come up with during G20; hopefully good ones.
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