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Oh no… no more Melissa McCarthy spoofs?
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Old 21.07.2017, 19:18
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Nooo!!!!! Spicey's gone! I'll actually miss his alternative press briefings.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/u...secretary.html
Good for him. I think he was a decent guy that took on an impossible job. I expect we'll see McCarthy at least once more on SNL. In the interim I suppose they'll have Huckabee-Sanders pick up where Spicey left off.
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Old 21.07.2017, 19:22
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This is the kind of statement that intrigues me. What more "balanced" coverage could they have provided? Trump is off the rails himself, and not necessarily on the "conservative" side of things. Anything that is reported about him, no matter how nicely you try to phrase it, shows his nutty side. His own words speak for themselves. He's practically in his own universe.
I agree Trump is a bit of a loose cannon. Nevertheless, I think some of the ''off the rails'' things that he says are actually much more appealing to the average American than the media lets on; That the 'outrageous' things he blurts out may actually be quite close to what many people are thinking – but the mainstream media wouldn’t know that as they are too one-sided.

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As for leaning "left" what does that really mean? If you ask a so-called "leftist" or "liberal" that largely means they support equal pay, better rights for workers, better environmental protections, healthcare for all, etc. Is that such a bad thing?
I would make a distinction between liberals and leftists. True liberals are few and far between. Seems that much more common are leftists who, somewhat bizarrely, commonly refer to themselves as liberals (even though they often seem to be opposed to differing views and opinions) Leftists tend to be naïve and idealistic and their ideas are often based on emotions rather than practicality.

The average leftist might strive for all the things you described above and that might be admirable. Yet, if they also believe that their country has a responsibility to look after all the world’s problems/people then the ideas that they are striving for might become unattainable.

Also, seems to be a a lot of champagne socialists on the left (and EF )
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Old 21.07.2017, 19:49
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Oh no… no more Melissa McCarthy spoofs?
Yeah, the first thing I thought too.
And now? Two more unemployed Americans?
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Good for him. I think he was a decent guy that took on an impossible job.
Do you think he'll be able to spill the beans on anything?

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Sorry luv, but going off your post, you haven't got a clue what liberals and socialists are, or you would have begun with defining if you're refering to US or European versions, as one is very much different from the other.

Can't be bothered with champagne. Has no effect on me whatsoever.
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Old 21.07.2017, 20:00
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Do you think he'll be able to spill the beans on anything?
Able to - Yes, I suppose he can disclose anything not covered by secret clearance or a confidentiality agreement.

Will he? I say probably not, at least not anything too juicy. He strikes me as a guy with integrity. He might not like Trump the person but he respects the office of the presidency.
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Will he? I say probably not, at least not anything too juicy. He strikes me as a guy with integrity. He might not like Trump the person but he respects the office of the presidency.
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Old 21.07.2017, 20:28
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Is that your opinion or do you have a source
Both.

Here's an article which details the bias within American mainstream media and the causes. It cites the polls, studies and research used to reach their conclusion.

And here is an article published today from The Guardian which also vaguely touches on this point:

''These things don’t happen because the journalists that remain are liberals. It happens because so many of them are part of the same class – an exalted and privileged class.

This is the key to understanding many of their biases – and also for understanding why they are so utterly oblivious to how they appear to the rest of America''
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Old 21.07.2017, 20:36
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I agree Trump is a bit of a loose cannon. Nevertheless, I think some of the ''off the rails'' things that he says are actually much more appealing to the average American than the media lets on; That the 'outrageous' things he blurts out may actually be quite close to what many people are thinking – but the mainstream media wouldn’t know that as they are too one-sided.

I would make a distinction between liberals and leftists. True liberals are few and far between. Seems that much more common are leftists who, somewhat bizarrely, commonly refer to themselves as liberals (even though they often seem to be opposed to differing views and opinions) Leftists tend to be naïve and idealistic and their ideas are often based on emotions rather than practicality.

The average leftist might strive for all the things you described above and that might be admirable. Yet, if they also believe that their country has a responsibility to look after all the world’s problems/people then the ideas that they are striving for might become unattainable.

Also, seems to be a a lot of champagne socialists on the left (and EF )
"Leftists tend to be naive and idealistic" Lol! Sometimes hard to take you seriously

Let us look at some well known Leftists to see if they exhibited naive and idealistic characteristics.

Albert Einstein
Che Guevara
George Orwell
Vladimir Lenin

Do feel free to give us your list of naive and idealistic Leftists
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Old 21.07.2017, 20:50
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Both.

Here's an article which details the bias within American mainstream media and the causes. It cites the polls, studies and research used to reach their conclusion.

And here is an article published today from The Guardian which also vaguely touches on this point:

''These things don’t happen because the journalists that remain are liberals. It happens because so many of them are part of the same class – an exalted and privileged class.

This is the key to understanding many of their biases – and also for understanding why they are so utterly oblivious to how they appear to the rest of America''
From your first link
"A 2014 study under the “American Journalist” banner found that 28 percent of 1,080 surveyed U.S. journalists claimed to be Democrats, as opposed to 7 percent for Republicans.
The numbers reflected a desertion of both parties toward a self-identification as independent, which clocked in at 50 percent of the surveyed population.
Tom Rosenstiel, executive director of the American Press Institute, concludes, “Actually the numbers say newsrooms tilt independent.” "

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So.. US-Americans won't be able to travel freely anymore

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

Lets guess which countries will be added next to the list..
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From your first link
"A 2014 study under the “American Journalist” banner found that 28 percent of 1,080 surveyed U.S. journalists claimed to be Democrats, as opposed to 7 percent for Republicans.
The numbers reflected a desertion of both parties toward a self-identification as independent, which clocked in at 50 percent of the surveyed population.
Tom Rosenstiel, executive director of the American Press Institute, concludes, “Actually the numbers say newsrooms tilt independent.” "

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Though the Grahams and the Rosenstiels may dispute emphases, data over the years confirms the contentions of American conservatives that the workplaces of the mainstream media err on the liberal/Democratic side of the ideological/partisan divide. “I think over the years that we’ve done these studies, it’s clear that more journalists tend to lean to the left politically than to the right,” says retired Indiana University journalism professor David H. Weaver.

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Old 21.07.2017, 21:09
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Able to - Yes, I suppose he can disclose anything not covered by secret clearance or a confidentiality agreement.

Will he? I say probably not, at least not anything too juicy. He strikes me as a guy with integrity. He might not like Trump the person but he respects the office of the presidency.
Spicer was certainly very loyal to Trump frequently defending the undefendable even after one of Trump's many U turns.
As we have seen with Trump, loyalty is sadly a one way street.

Mark Corallo, the spokesman for President Donald Trump's legal team also resigned today within two months of being on the job, according to people familiar with the matter.

I suspect we will soon see more resignations from Trump's team especially from communications people who Trump sees as failing to deliver (unfortunately impossible) positive messages about a President who is deep in controversies, is a serial liar and has so far failed to deliver any major legislation!

Edit - sort of related - Katie Walsh, a longtime top adviser to White House chief of staff Reince Priebus left the Trump White House to work as a top staffer for America First Policies, an outside group that was set up to promote President Donald Trump’s agenda is now returning to the Republican National Committee (RNC) as senior data and digital adviser.
During the 2016 campaign, Walsh served as the RNC’s chief of staff so it is not clear if the new role is a step up or......
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Though the Grahams and the Rosenstiels may dispute emphases, data over the years confirms the contentions of American conservatives that the workplaces of the mainstream media err on the liberal/Democratic side of the ideological/partisan divide. “I think over the years that we’ve done these studies, it’s clear that more journalists tend to lean to the left politically than to the right,” says retired Indiana University journalism professor David H. Weaver.

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This is an internet forum so opinions unsupported by sources are fine here; facts supported by independent studies are also welcome
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You mean like that study you quoted earlier that showed U.S. journalists were 4x more likely to be Democrats than Republicans?

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Oh no… no more Melissa McCarthy spoofs?
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Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Friday was named the new White House press secretary, replacing Sean Spicer.
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You mean like that independent study you quoted earlier that showed U.S. journalists were 4x more likely to be Democrats than Republicans?

I can open the door marton but you must enter yourself.
And from the same study as I quoted before 50% of journalists are independent so not left leaning
The rest is noise level
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So.. US-Americans won't be able to travel freely anymore

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

Lets guess which countries will be added next to the list..
<<The State Department said Friday it will prohibit U.S. citizens from traveling to North Korea starting late next month>>
Is that even possible??

Bern gives recommendations sometimes about which country better not to visit at the time (was the case when I went to Niger) but it's not prohibited.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There was a rumour going around the Spicer stopped the "on-camera" White House Press briefings because he was fed up with Trump watching them on TV and criticising his performance.

Will be interesting to see if Sanders goes back to "on-camera" and if so for how long
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