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Conservative values? But Trump (or to be accurate, someone who definitely isn't Trump, given that everything is spelled correctly and the tweet includes big boy words like "entail") tweeted that "the military... cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail". So it's all about saving costs, honest.
He can sell it however he wants yet the result is still the same.

Sometimes the ends justify the means.
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Is this true or opinion? I would be surprised if it is true (but I've been wrong before).
According to a RAND study, apparently the number is between 1,320 and 6,630.

Here are the report's key findings, which directly contradict Trump's flimsy excuses for banning transgender service personnel:

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There Are an Estimated 1,320–6,630 Transgender Service Members in the Active Component, but Not All Will Seek Gender Transition–Related Treatment

It is difficult to estimate the number of transgender personnel in the military due to current policies and a lack of empirical data. Applying a range of prevalence estimates, combining data from multiple surveys, and adjusting for the male/female distribution in the military provided a midrange estimate of around 2,450 transgender personnel in the active component (out of a total number of approximately 1.3 million active-component service members) and 1,510 in the Selected Reserve.

Only a subset will seek gender transition–related treatment. Estimates derived from survey data and private health insurance claims data indicate that, each year, between 29 and 129 service members in the active component will seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.


The Costs of Gender Transition–Related Health Care Treatment Are Relatively Low

Using private health insurance claims data to estimate the cost of extending gender transition–related health care coverage to transgender personnel indicated that active-component health care costs would increase by between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually, representing a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.

Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.


Previous Integration Efforts and the Experiences of Foreign Militaries Indicate a Minimal Likely Impact on Force Readiness

The limited research on the effects of foreign military policies indicates little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness. Commanders noted that the policies had benefits for all service members by creating a more inclusive and diverse force.

Policy changes to open more roles to women and to allow gay and lesbian personnel to serve openly in the U.S. military have similarly had no significant effect on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness.

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He can sell it however he wants
You mean by lying, again? No, he can't. One day (soon) he will lie just a little bit too bigly, and impeachment (with the support of Republicans, no less!) will swiftly follow. The lack of partisan support for his bonkers healthcare efforts and his crusade against Jeff Sessions should sound a clear warning to him, but Trump is too thick-headed to pay heed.

His loss, and his alone.
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Apparently Drumpf is more focused on military victory than a social experiment!
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Is this true or opinion? I would be surprised if it is true (but I've been wrong before).
A 2016 Rand Corp. study commissioned by the Defense Department concluded that letting transgender people serve openly would have a "minimal impact" on readiness and health care costs, largely because there are so few in the military's 1.3 million-member force.

The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630.
Gender-change surgery is rare in the general population, and the RAND study estimated the possibility of 30 to 140 new hormone treatments a year in the military, with 25 to 130 gender transition-related surgeries among active service members.
The cost could range from $2.4 million and $8.4 million, an amount that would represent an "exceedingly small proportion" of total health care expenditures, the study found.

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Apparently Drumpf is more focused on military victory than a social experiment!
I thought Trump's policy was to concentrate on the US and to avoid foreign engagements; maybe he plans to invade the South again?
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Apparently Drumpf is more focused on military victory than a social experiment!
Yes indeed, it's a situation where the finest of margins spell the difference between victory and defeat! Those 0.19% of the total active service members could very well be the reason why the mighty US hasn't won a decisive victory in any war of note since 1945.
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Gender Confirmation Surgery Is on the Rise in the U.S.

"The number of gender confirmation surgeries has risen in the United States, according to new data from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS). The organization reported that in 2016 there were 3,200 gender confirmation surgeries—nearly a 20% increase from 2015."

Transgender Surgery Can Cost More Than $100,000

Before gender reassignment surgery was possible I wonder if the proportion of the population who felt they had been born with the wrong gender was as high as it is now. Also wonder if/how this phenomenon varies from country to country/culture to culture.
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You mean by lying, again? No, he can't. One day (soon) he will lie just a little bit too bigly, and impeachment (with the support of Republicans, no less!) will swiftly follow. The lack of partisan support for his bonkers healthcare efforts and his crusade against Jeff Sessions should sound a clear warning to him, but Trump is too thick-headed to pay heed.

His loss, and his alone.
It seems that Jeff Sessions view is that by remaining in his role he is doing what is best for his country.
He believes if Trump decides to fire him then Trump will also have to explain why?

I doubt Sessions will simply walk away He is basically a lawyer not a politician so is used to being attacked in and out of Court.
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I thought Trump's policy was to concentrate on the US and to avoid foreign engagements; maybe he plans to invade the South again?
It's known as 'deterrence theory'
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Gender Confirmation Surgery Is on the Rise in the U.S.

"The number of gender confirmation surgeries has risen in the United States, according to new data from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS). The organization reported that in 2016 there were 3,200 gender confirmation surgeries—nearly a 20% increase from 2015."

Transgender Surgery Can Cost More Than $100,000

Before gender reassignment surgery was possible I wonder if the proportion of the population who felt they had been born with the wrong gender was as high as it is now. Also wonder if/how this phenomenon varies from country to country/culture to culture.
There are circa 320 million people in the US so if there were 3,200 gender operations then works out at one person in every hundred thousand.
There are 1.3 million in the US military so that would mean on average 13 operations; does not seem like a significant cost saving.
Especially for an organisation that spends tens of millions on woodland camouflage uniforms for Afghanistan that has practically no woodlands

"who felt they had been born with the wrong gender" That is very much an oversimplification; there are a lot of people around (1 in every 2,000 births) who were born with an uncertain gender (Ambiguous genitalia) and the treatment used to be to simply cut off any extraneous bits

Now they make more of an effort to scientifically assign gender but it is an uncertain process.
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I doubt Sessions will simply walk away He is basically a lawyer not a politician so is used to being attacked in and out of Court.
True, although most of Sessions' legal career has been as a US Attorney or State AG -- not your average lawyering. And he was a US Senator for 20 years before taking up the USAG role.
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It seems that Jeff Sessions view is that by remaining in his role he is doing what is best for his country.
He believes if Trump decides to fire him then Trump will also have to explain why?
I think Sessions realizes the mistake he made in supporting Trump, and that the only way Trump will face any potential consequences if he continues to fire everyone involved with the "fake" Russia investigation. Firing Comey was a start towards obstruction of justice, Sessions would be another box on the list as would Mueller.

The question is, if this rises to the level of obstruction of justice, will the Rs grow a backbone and start impeachment proceedings? Sure Trump can pardon all kinds of folks but the constitution prohibits him from pardoning himself over impeachment.

Also, what if there was no collusion? And Trump is risking a constitutional crisis for...what, exactly??
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Also, what if there was no collusion? And Trump is risking a constitutional crisis for...what, exactly??
According to his twitter he is draining the swamp!
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I think Sessions realizes the mistake he made in supporting Trump, and that the only way Trump will face any potential consequences if he continues to fire everyone involved with the "fake" Russia investigation. Firing Comey was a start towards obstruction of justice, Sessions would be another box on the list as would Mueller.

The question is, if this rises to the level of obstruction of justice, will the Rs grow a backbone and start impeachment proceedings? Sure Trump can pardon all kinds of folks but the constitution prohibits him from pardoning himself over impeachment.

Also, what if there was no collusion? And Trump is risking a constitutional crisis for...what, exactly??
More likely some Dems will start impeachment proceedings and then it just needs some Rs to cross over. Trump has vilified a number of Rs personally so there are candidates for "cross over".
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Mr. Trump's statements shall be found in textbooks to come.

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I think Sessions realizes the mistake he made in supporting Trump, and that the only way Trump will face any potential consequences if he continues to fire everyone involved with the "fake" Russia investigation. Firing Comey was a start towards obstruction of justice, Sessions would be another box on the list as would Mueller.

The question is, if this rises to the level of obstruction of justice, will the Rs grow a backbone and start impeachment proceedings? Sure Trump can pardon all kinds of folks but the constitution prohibits him from pardoning himself over impeachment.

Also, what if there was no collusion? And Trump is risking a constitutional crisis for...what, exactly??
"And Trump is risking a constitutional crisis for...what, exactly??" Must admit that I believed that Russia tried to interfere in the US election and there were contacts between Trump's team and Russia but nothing that amounted to collusion.
Now Trump's recent behaviour is slowly convincing me that there was collusion
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Mr. Trump's statements shall be found in textbooks to come.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
That was interesting. It's also a list of all the tactics used by our RWNJs.
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There are circa 320 million people in the US so if there were 3,200 gender operations then works out at one person in every hundred thousand.
There are 1.3 million in the US military so that would mean on average 13 operations; does not seem like a significant cost saving.
Especially for an organisation that spends tens of millions on woodland camouflage uniforms for Afghanistan that has practically no woodlands

"who felt they had been born with the wrong gender" That is very much an oversimplification; there are a lot of people around (1 in every 2,000 births) who were born with an uncertain gender (Ambiguous genitalia) and the treatment used to be to simply cut off any extraneous bits

Now they make more of an effort to scientifically assign gender but it is an uncertain process.
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