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Old 27.07.2017, 01:08
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well now the Senate voted on replacing Obamacare with Trumpcare but it did not pass.

Then they had a vote on repealing Obamacare without any replacement but it did not pass.

Now they seem to be looking for replacing Obamacare with some sort of slimmed down Trumpcare Bill that nobody read beforehand! But then they will be voting on a Bill not evaluated by the Congressional Budget office and parts of the Bill may anyway not pass the Byrd criteria.

Seems to be an exercise in chaos!! Par for the course in Trump times
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There are circa 320 million people in the US so if there were 3,200 gender operations then works out at one person in every hundred thousand.
There are 1.3 million in the US military so that would mean on average 13 operations; does not seem like a significant cost saving.
Especially for an organisation that spends tens of millions on woodland camouflage uniforms for Afghanistan that has practically no woodlands
I wasn't suggesting that banning transgender people from the military was a valid cost-saving measure (or valid for any other reason), more wondering whether the money to be made from the surgery had an influence on the increase in operations.

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"who felt they had been born with the wrong gender" That is very much an oversimplification; there are a lot of people around (1 in every 2,000 births) who were born with an uncertain gender (Ambiguous genitalia) and the treatment used to be to simply cut off any extraneous bits

Now they make more of an effort to scientifically assign gender but it is an uncertain process.
Do most gender reassignment operations in adults fall into that category? I would have thought that ambiguous genitalia would have been sorted out long before someone was of an age to enter the military, or have a family like Caitlin Jenner, but perhaps that's a false assumption. I suppose Trump's ban makes no distinction but I was assuming that the objection was to people choosing gender reassignment after joining the military, like Chelsea Manning.
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Old 27.07.2017, 13:18
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Apparently Trump may have announced the transgender military ban to help build The Wall!

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Seems like a win-win
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Old 27.07.2017, 13:26
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I wasn't suggesting that banning transgender people from the military was a valid cost-saving measure (or valid for any other reason), more wondering whether the money to be made from the surgery had an influence on the increase in operations.

Do most gender reassignment operations in adults fall into that category? I would have thought that ambiguous genitalia would have been sorted out long before someone was of an age to enter the military, or have a family like Caitlin Jenner, but perhaps that's a false assumption. I suppose Trump's ban makes no distinction but I was assuming that the objection was to people choosing gender reassignment after joining the military, like Chelsea Manning.
"long before someone was of an age to enter the military" I assume people can only make such decisions without parental consent after they reach a certain age as defined in their State laws which probably is around the minimum age to enter the military.
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Old 27.07.2017, 13:33
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The study put the number of transgender people in the military between 1,320 and 6,630.
Not anymore!
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Not anymore!
Why on earth are you happy about this?
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Old 27.07.2017, 13:46
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Why on earth are you happy about this?
Because of the people that are mad about it

I figure that anything that gets the liberal elite so upset is generally a good thing for a country.
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Old 27.07.2017, 13:56
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Only 19 countries allow transgender people to serve in the armed forces. 177 countries do not allow it. And of these, no one gives a shit about 176 of them.
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Old 27.07.2017, 14:12
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Because of the people that are mad about it

I figure that anything that gets the liberal elite so upset is generally a good thing for a country.
I also enjoy it when a shortcut opens to make liberal elites angry without having to do much to make them angry.

But I think that should be reserved for situations where you hand them the gun to shoot themselves in the foot, then stand back and say, "look, no hands, they did this themselves". Trump has done that quite well several times, unfortunately he was beter at it on the campaign trail than in office.

The anto Trumpers are so Pavlovian in their responses to Trump's trolling that they jump on every provocation and oppose everything he proposes, without stopping to think, hey, is this a trick and is he trying to frame us? And of course that's what makes them so easy for him to troll and to play for his own ends.

But in this particular case I don't see any bigger plan or objective. There's no element of his usual common sense versus the pettiness of PC. I really don't see where he's trying to go. I think most people don't really care about transgender people in the military. It's a non issue.
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Only 19 countries allow transgender people to serve in the armed forces. 177 countries do not allow it. And of these, no one gives a shit about 176 of them.
How many of them have explicitly rolled back their laws recently? How many are the self-proclaimed land of opportunity and freedom?

One of my friends got a red card in the last match of the Swiss 4th division last year. Funnily enough, he didn't make the newspaper, but the Arsenal captain who did the same thing did. Funny that.

Classic Trumpian response though. So what if I did something bad? Hillary did something bad too. Waaah.
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Old 27.07.2017, 14:40
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Not anymore!
"patience young grasshopper" nobody actually left the military yet
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"long before someone was of an age to enter the military" I assume people can only make such decisions without parental consent after they reach a certain age as defined in their State laws which probably is around the minimum age to enter the military.
I could be wrong, but thought I'd heard somewhere that gender reassignment was best done before puberty. But I suppose if there's no parental consent some may have no choice but to wait.

It would be interesting to know why gender reassignment is on the increase in the USA (20% higher in 2016 than 2015 according to this). If there's no physical ambiguity, it seems such a drastic step and in a country where it was apparently legal for medical professionals to do what they did to Michael Jackson's face.
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It would be interesting to know why gender reassignment is on the increase in the USA (20% higher in 2016 than 2015 according to this). If there's no physical ambiguity, it seems such a drastic step and in a country where it was apparently legal for medical professionals to do what they did to Michael Jackson's face.
Hormones in tap water, hormones and other crap in food, maybe just increased awareness of the phenomenon leading to doctors being more on the look out for symptoms.

I don't know whether you can always nail down a precise cause.
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Old 27.07.2017, 16:31
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As mentioned before, the White House must be a lovely place to work

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Anthony Scaramucci, the new White House communications director who was brought in to bring order to a press shop in turmoil, called into CNN's "New Day" on Thursday (today) and all but blamed WH chief of staff Reince Priebus for leaking information in a more then 30-minute-long interview.

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Apparently Trump may have announced the transgender military ban to help build The Wall!

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Seems like a win-win
The curious thing is he chose to announce this ban during the Trump inspired "American Heroes Week" which the White House said was dedicated to "celebrating and honouring our brave military service members and veterans, law enforcement officers, first responders, and workers".
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Since he thinks he is God...



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Upholding conservative values...

The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care.

LOL.
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As mentioned before, the White House must be a lovely place to work

Anthony Scaramucci, the new White House communications director who was brought in to bring order to a press shop in turmoil, called into CNN's "New Day" on Thursday (today) and all but blamed WH chief of staff Reince Priebus for leaking information in a more then 30-minute-long interview.

Quote "if Reince wants to explain he's not a leaker, let him do that."
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I wonder how long Scaramucci will keep the job. He doesn't seem very diplomatic. There's footage of him here making a rather crass and patronising comment about the White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Stephen Colbert Introduces His Anthony Scaramucci Impression

He's probably entitled to express a view, given his role, but he didn't need to do it publicly.

Could the Washington Post be having a dig at Trump?!
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Old 27.07.2017, 18:10
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"patience young grasshopper" nobody actually left the military yet
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General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a written message on Thursday to military leaders that there has been no change yet to the military's policy on transgender personnel, despite plans for a ban announced by President Donald Trump.

"There will be no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidance," Dunford said in the written message to service chiefs, commanders and senior enlisted leaders, seen by Reuters.
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He's trying to make the country great again but The Establishment won't let him!

Or maybe he planned the whole thing to make it appear so?
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