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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The Senate left for its August break on Thursday, but it won't technically be in recess. And that will stop President Donald Trump from filling executive branch spots without senators' OK.

Using a procedural tool often invoked by senators in the past, the Senate has set up a series pro forma sessions. Essentially, they'll gavel into session every few days -- perhaps even for just minutes at a time -- through Labor Day to keep the lights on.

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Seems Congress are building more walls than Trump!

Lat month Senate announced to delay their recess until third week of August, seems the third week came early this year!

And of course completely ignoring Trump as is now usual
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As was said in an interview today" Stock Market is up but the situation of the poor , unemployed,wages etc etc stays the same!"
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump given good news as US economy adds 209,000 jobs in July!

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209,00 new jobs in July 2017-- that sounds awesome! Oh. But not as awesome as the 255,000 new jobs that were added in July 2016. Oops. Wasn't Obama president then?
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209,00 new jobs in July 2017-- that sounds awesome! Oh. But not as awesome as the 255,000 new jobs that were added in July 2016. Oops. Wasn't Obama president then?
Yeah but how many trannies did he ban from the military?
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Yeah but how many trannies did he ban from the military?
None. Why would he?
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To make the military great again!
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7706551.html

Of course depends on who you believe.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...th-comparison/

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...t-month-trump/

Difficult to compare since Obama inherited a different situation to the one facing Trump.

Mind you I think this is the best one:

https://www.theroot.com/the-complete...0-d-1794741843
Boom! hilarious when one of the three stooges tries to defend the orange one.

In fairness though, Kriss Kross (you still wearing your clothes backwards btw?) did specify 'within the same amount of time of being in office' given that the orange one spends so much time golfing/vacationing he's not been in the office all that much.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Love him or hate him, he has brought populist ideas into politics and it will never be the same because of him
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One step closer to impeachment. Grand jury convened. ...

Expect soon Trump pardons son, Congress impeaches Trump, job done.
Don't get too excited. Remember that impeachment does not equal removal from office. In fact, no president in U.S. history has been impeached and removed from office.

Also Trump does have the power to pardon his son and as best I can tell it would be legal. Morally right, probably not but Trump has used the law to his advantage throughout his life and business dealings. I see no reason why he wouldn't use it to pardon his family to protect them.

A bit about impeachment here: http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-...procedure.html

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...Mind you I think this is the best one:

https://www.theroot.com/the-complete...0-d-1794741843
Sorry, I had to stop reading after the first paragraph. While I enjoy satire from time to time, this was not even remotely that. A proper journalist would not stoop to schoolboy insults, unlike our not-so-dignified president.

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So what has he actually achieved then? I keep hearing he is getting things done, but I can't seem to find any kind of list.
I've also tried to figure that out. As best I can tell, Trump and his supporters think he personally deserves credit for anything that's gone well (stock market, jobs numbers) but no blame for anything that's failed (healthcare, tax reform).

If we don't measure quality and instead stick to quantity, here is what I can gather Trump has accomplished (using various news sources):
  • Signed 42 Executive Orders
  • Issued 29 Presidential memoranda
  • Issued 6 Presidential determinations
  • Made 60 Presidential proclamations
  • Issued 13 Presidential notices
  • Issued 1 Presidential Sequestration Order
  • Successfully appointed and had most of his Cabinet members approved by the Senate, despite the appointees' lack of government experience or knowledge of the department they lead. A few nominees have withdrawn, and some appointees have resigned
  • Signed 43 bills into law
  • Played golf 43 times, spending more than 20% of his days in office at his golf properties
  • Withdrew the U.S. from the Paris climate accord
  • Has made 3 overseas trips to visit 9 countries
  • Achieved record-level poll number decreases
  • Increased raids on suspected illegals some 40% over the latter part of the Obama administration
  • Withdrew the U.S from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

What he's not done so far is take the lead when it comes to crafting legislation, as presidents usually do. He's not leading his party, he's tearing it down. He insults his own appointees that have praised him endlessly for being such a genius.

In terms of comparing himself to Obama or other predecessors, Trump was the one claiming during the campaign that he would accomplish more great things for America in 100 days than others did in their entire terms. Yet now that he's not accomplished all that, none of it is his fault. It's the media's fault, it's hysteria, etc. etc.

I do agree with KK that U.S. politics will never be the same.
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Don't get too excited. Remember that impeachment does not equal removal from office. In fact, no president in U.S. history has been impeached and removed from office.

Also Trump does have the power to pardon his son and as best I can tell it would be legal. Morally right, probably not but Trump has used the law to his advantage throughout his life and business dealings. I see no reason why he wouldn't use it to pardon his family to protect them.

A bit about impeachment here: http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-...procedure.html



Sorry, I had to stop reading after the first paragraph. While I enjoy satire from time to time, this was not even remotely that. A proper journalist would not stoop to schoolboy insults, unlike our not-so-dignified president.



I've also tried to figure that out. As best I can tell, Trump and his supporters think he personally deserves credit for anything that's gone well (stock market, jobs numbers) but no blame for anything that's failed (healthcare, tax reform).

If we don't measure quality and instead stick to quantity, here is what I can gather Trump has accomplished (using various news sources):
  • Signed 42 Executive Orders
  • Issued 29 Presidential memoranda
  • Issued 6 Presidential determinations
  • Made 60 Presidential proclamations
  • Issued 13 Presidential notices
  • Issued 1 Presidential Sequestration Order
  • Successfully appointed and had most of his Cabinet members approved by the Senate, despite the appointees' lack of government experience or knowledge of the department they lead. A few nominees have withdrawn, and some appointees have resigned
  • Signed 43 bills into law
  • Played golf 43 times, spending more than 20% of his days in office at his golf properties
  • Withdrew the U.S. from the Paris climate accord
  • Has made 3 overseas trips to visit 9 countries
  • Achieved record-level poll number decreases
  • Increased raids on suspected illegals some 40% over the latter part of the Obama administration
  • Withdrew the U.S from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

What he's not done so far is take the lead when it comes to crafting legislation, as presidents usually do. He's not leading his party, he's tearing it down. He insults his own appointees that have praised him endlessly for being such a genius.

In terms of comparing himself to Obama or other predecessors, Trump was the one claiming during the campaign that he would accomplish more great things for America in 100 days than others did in their entire terms. Yet now that he's not accomplished all that, none of it is his fault. It's the media's fault, it's hysteria, etc. etc.

I do agree with KK that U.S. politics will never be the same.
"Increased raids on suspected illegals some 40% over the latter part of the Obama administration"

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The two leaders [Trump and Mexican President Nieto] had last discussed migration issues when they met on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Germany on July 7.

At the time, it said, Pena Nieto shared Mexican figures showing that 31 percent fewer Mexicans had been deported from the United States in the first half of 2017 compared to the year before.
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Trump is claiming "raids on suspected illegals some 40% over Obama" but Mexican President says "31 percent fewer Mexicans had been deported".
Something somewhere does not add up?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Happy bipartisan times

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Two Republican House Intelligence Committee staffers travelled to London earlier this summer to track down the former British intelligence operative who compiled a controversial dossier on President Donald Trump and Russia, according to three people familiar with the matter.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans did not tell Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee nor special counsel Robert Mueller’s office that the investigators were pursuing Steele.
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"Increased raids on suspected illegals some 40% over the latter part of the Obama administration"

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Trump is claiming "raids on suspected illegals some 40% over Obama" but Mexican President says "31 percent fewer Mexicans had been deported".
Something somewhere does not add up?
Increased raids don't immediately equate to deportations. There is a process, and thanks to the additional raids there's a backlog for hearings. From BBC:

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...Between 2009-15, the Obama administration deported more than 2.5 million people - most of whom had been convicted of some form of criminal offence or were recent arrivals - leading some to label President Obama the "deporter-in-chief".

But an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants still live in the US, many from Mexico.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency has launched a series of raids across the country since Mr Trump was elected, leading to a 40% monthly increase over the latter part of the Obama administration.

That hasn't led to more deportations yet, however. Instead, there is now a backlog of more than 600,000 cases awaiting final review by immigration judges...
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......Also Trump does have the power to pardon his son and as best I can tell it would be legal. Morally right, probably not but Trump has used the law to his advantage throughout his life and business dealings. I see no reason why he wouldn't use it to pardon his family to protect them.....
Thing is in a constitutional state the law counts.
To expect people not to use the law but follow moral rules instead (and as we all know, most moral rules are individual) is inconsistent.
If a law allows doing inacceptable things, the law needs changing. It's usually discovered when some smart-ass is using what we call here a "Gesetzeslücke" (legal loophole) to his/her advantage.
We need those smart-asses though, just like we need hackers in IT
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Increased raids don't immediately equate to deportations. There is a process, and thanks to the additional raids there's a backlog for hearings. From BBC:
So the situation is that raids have increased since Obama's time but deportations have declined.

One possibility that fits these facts is that the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have switched many of their staff from processing deportations to making increased numbers of raids. The result is more illegal immigrants are sitting in US jails with associated increased costs for the prisons budget; they are often sitting there for two years!

There is an article on this topic here.

According to the article "ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan recently said the drop in deportations is because of the backlog in federal immigration courts and the lengthy time to process each case." This statement does not make a lot of sense! I could understand that the number of monthly deportations stays the same as under Obama due to the lengthy time to process each case? Maybe the problem is that the court resources involved in processing the many more newly arrested people deprives the courts of the resources needed to finalise cases?

He is the ICE Acting Director because this is one of the many senior roles where Trump has not yet made a nomination!

Incidentally ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan does not support the Trump rhetoric that illegal immigrants commit more crimes!
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Incidentally ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan does not support the Trump rhetoric that illegal immigrants commit more crimes
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Doesn't that only work when you ignore the fact that every single illegal immigrant committed a crime when they hopped the border though?
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Doesn't that only work when you ignore the fact that every single illegal immigrant committed a crime when they hopped the border though?
That is exactly what my link states if you bothered to read it
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Not directly Trump linked but anyway

The European Union today new imposed sanctions on three more Russians, including Deputy Energy Minister Andrei Cherezov, and three Russian companies over the delivery of Siemens' turbines to Moscow-annexed Crimea.

Moscow criticized the EU's decision as an unfriendly and groundless act and said it reserved the right to take retaliatory steps.

Siemens says it has evidence that all four turbines it delivered for a project in southern Russia had been illegally moved to Crimea.

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And also 17% increase in Mexican deaths at the border under Trump. Is he also celebrating that increase?
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Interesting 5 minute read from Tony Burman former head of Al Jazeera English and CBC News in today's Toronto Star (Canada).

"We now know how the Trump presidency will end. Let's hope we survive: Burman- The outlines of the end are becoming more clear, as Robert Mueller’s investigators dig away. Expect things to be vicious."

Link: https://www.thestar.com/news/insight...ow-burman.html
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