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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Just wondering if KK has given up his Australian citizenship yet...

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Australia will join the conflict if North Korea attacks the US: Malcolm Turnbull
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Just wondering if KK has given up his Australian citizenship yet...

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

http://newsthump.com/2017/08/11/nort...-conquers-usa/

http://newsthump.com/2017/08/09/men-...aving-contest/

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump is backing himself into a corner with all this rhetoric. He's gonna look pretty stupid soon when he doesn't actually follow up on his threats. I don't think the military are in the mood for ww3, which is what he will get.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump warns N Korea that US military is 'locked and loaded'

As already posted but it disappeared, what is Trump water doing on the table; the ethics people must love that!

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Trump is backing himself into a corner with all this rhetoric. He's gonna look pretty stupid soon when he doesn't actually follow up on his threats. I don't think the military are in the mood for ww3, which is what he will get.
Unless of course, he does follow up on his threats.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

... and some of you just can't wait- hitching for it
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... and some of you just can't wait- htiching for it
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Trump warns N Korea that US military is 'locked and loaded'

As already posted but it disappeared, what is Trump water doing on the table; the ethics people must love that!

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I posted, then deleted, then posted again, then deleted when I realised you'd posted about it.

Trump brand water on the table when he's clearly there in his presidential capacity. I thought his businesses weren't supposed to be benefiting from his time as president. (Hm, let's focus on water instead of nuclear war!)

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You are as insane as he is- tragically (sorry Reb77, posts crossed- this refers to previous poster obviously).
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A US perspective on this madness...

This government at the top is a series of factions and cartels warring with each other over power and control.

American media, as an information cartel, engages in implied collusion and outright conspiracy with these factions. This includes the major technology companies as well. Snowden and all of the outrageous stories proven false and leaked emails to and from journalists/producers are evidence of this fact.

Trump either did not understand this at all or had a limited understanding of the true situation. In any event, he had a rude awakening shortly after the inauguration.

In order to waste precious time, one of the factions colluded with the information cartel to invent a series of distractions to engage the polarized electorate.

Likely the same faction forced Trump into a position to force his National Security Advisor (AF Gen Flynn) to resign. What you may not understand in Europe is since 1947 the US foreign and military policy has been de facto governed by the National Security Council. While the President is Chairman, and VP, Secy State, Secy Energy, Secy Defense are statutory attendees, the National Security Advisor is a key position on the council as he acts as daily advisor to the President on NSC matters (all foreign and military policy). This means in effect, the National Security Advisor is the number three or perhaps two position in the Executive Branch in real matters. Because the position is not in the line of succession (unlike the VP), the National Security Advisor can be at the President's side at any time (the VP and President are frequently kept apart for line of succession).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...curity_Council

Flynn, competent or not, was not trusted or a member of the faction currently fighting hard against the President (likely this faction backed dying Hillary and Kane was to be their figurehead puppet).

The man who replaced Flynn, Gen McMaster, is a protégé of CIA director Gen Petraeus, who he himself is very much connected to the pro-Hillary, pro-war faction.

"The report’s recommendations heavily influenced President Bush’s troop surge—and the shift to a counterinsurgency strategy—in early 2007. (It also led Bush to appoint, as the new commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, who had been counseling McMaster and others behind the scenes all along.)"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...t_officer.html

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/petrae...a-e67b71a9076a

While it was not my theory alone as evidenced above, I believe the compromise with Trump was accept our man as Advisor because we demand a "high seat at the table" so to speak.

This same scenario played out in 1980 with Reagan. Bush, CIA director, son of Sen Prescott Bush the Nazi, and most likely underboss of a faction himself made a deal with the popular Reagan to be on the Republican ticket. Bush himself was a "swamp creature" with no real public political history and could not win in the primaries. Allegedly part of the deal was Bush as VP would de facto run the NSC while Reagan would be more of a "rubber stamp" to his/their decisions and he would be left to other devices such as economy. The same thing happened to Carter with Brzezinski (Zbig's idea to lure the Soviets into Afghanistan for example). Robert Gates was Secy Def under Obama btw.

According to history:

"Taking a cue from President Carter, Reagan included his vice president, George H. W. Bush, in many of the important national security decisions of his administration. As president, Bush—who had been ambassador to the United Nations, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and the American representative to China—reorganized the national security process, as had previous chief executives. His national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft, and Scowcroft's deputy, Robert Gates, were at the center of the national security process, chairing the top panels of the senior officers in all the national security agencies and thus setting the agendas."

http://www.americanforeignrelations....ton-years.html

Therefore Trump is limited on his own foreign policy and military decisions, the same as every President since Nixon or earlier (Kissinger ran the show in the 70s). This is why he went from his true stance of war is too expensive and pointless to fire missiles at Syria and let's bomb Kim Jong Un.

Trump was most likely through an earlier deal forced to appoint Rence Priebus as Chief of Staff. Most recently he was removed and replaced with Gen Kelly. Priebus was most likely a leaker and a spy for other faction(s).

Recently Trump fired Priebus and the Press Secy Spicer and appointed Gen Kelly Chief of Staff. This was probably done because those two were either doing more harm than good or allied themselves with an opposing faction. Kelly was put in place to send a message that whatever faction backed Trump is prepared to protect him. Putting several I assume trustworthy generals in positions of power also hinders attempts at coup d'etat (which are VERY real in my opinion).

The recent vacation is probably cover to the faction backing Trump to remove bugs and spy devices installed by the Obama administration or some third faction, which may also have been the source of leaks.

While Syria was surprisingly de-escalated, which I assume was a compromise with the faction backing McMaster/Petraeus and possibly Moscow, the war drums are beating with North Korea.

The North Korean situation leading up to this almost warrants its own 10,000 word post, but in short after Kim Il Sung (KIS) died in 1994, his son Kim Jong Il (KJI) allied his "family faction" with the NK military in order to protect him/them. They called it "military first" and the end result was the Stalinist bureaucracy of KIS morphed into a triumvirate of Kim family, NK Military (their National Defense Council), and the NK gov't bureaucracy running the nation day to day.

After witnessing what happened to Saddam (who was double crossed by the US State Dept), KJI embarks on a nuclear weapons program to protect him/family from capitulation or "regime change". The compromise with the Clinton State department was instead of a graphite reactor capable of making weapons (which I think the Soviets installed) KJI was to be gifted two Light Water Reactors by I think the US, and between then and construction be given free heavy fuel oil to power whatever 1950s power infrastructure NK had at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework

From what it seems both NK and the US did not live up to their end of the deal and by 2003, KJI went full steam on his nuclear program. Some evidence suggests the NKs had been building a centrifuge prior to 2003. NK successfully detonates a device in 2006 of about 0.5 kilotons and enters the Nuclear Age.

"The HEU intelligence that James Kelly’s accusation is based on is still controversial: According to the CIA fact sheet to Congress on November 19, 2002, there was "clear evidence indicating the North has begun constructing a centrifuge facility"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_N...n_nuclear_test

KJI's health declines shortly thereafter and in 2008 he suffers a stroke (SK intel believed he died and some others think the same). While he/his family is in theory more secure from "regime change" he has never contemplated a succession policy.

His first son Kim Jong Nam (KJN) disgraced the regime in 2001 by attempting to defect to Japan (allegedly trying to visit Tokyo Disneyland with his whole family). KJN leaves NK and spends nearly all his remaining years in Macau under Chinese protection until his assassination in Malaysia. His second son King Jong Chol (KJC) was not held in high regard by KJI for some reason. Speculation ranges from not being cruel to being gay. KJC is apparently considered expendable enough to be allowed outside of the regime per a sighting by WaPo in London (below). This left Kim Jong Un (KJU) as the only successor directly in the KJI line.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...apton-megafan/

KJI dies on a train in 2011 if I recall, and KJU under the stewardship of his uncle and NDC member Jang Song-thaek (NDC is the "high command") and blood aunt Kim Kyong-hui.

Other than a coup attempt, paranoia, or to "make his bones" with the NK army, I can't understand why but later KJU turns on Jang and executes him to assume total control of the NDC.

Armed with primitive nuclear weapons from his father, KJU sets on a similar path of sabre rattling with the West. Most likely KJU is under pressure from either NK gov't or NK army to push the envelope with the missile tests. KJU may or may not be a competent leader, but he spent most of his life in Switzerland away from the insane asylum of NK and I do not believe thinks as they do. What I do know is he does not want to end up like Saddam and Qaddafi (or Mussolini and Hitler for that matter). I believe he is like Trump in a difficult balancing act. He can't just turn the keys over to someone else, disappear and hope to survive.

Now here is where the plot thickens...

The faction against Trump wants war somewhere. The Syria/Ukraine proxy wars with Moscow did not pan out as expected (thankfully), and a true proxy war with Beijing is unlikely in my view (i.e. backing "rebels" Tibet). Thus NK, the thorn in their side since 1994. Even if there was no nuclear exchange, I have read NK has 15,000 conventional artillery pieces and Seoul (9.86 million) is something like twenty miles south of the DMZ. Millions will likely die in the event of even a conventional conflict, not to mention the corps the Chinese PLA put on the NK border earlier in the year I assume to prevent refugees from entering China and a deterrent to a land invasion from SK/US/West.

Another factor is the presence of the USS R Reagan carrier in the region. The Reagan was severely irradiated during the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster and serves as evidence contrary to the Fukushima official story, which in reality was probably a hundred times worse than they admit. After the disaster the Reagan was moved from California to Japan I believe because Japan was also irradiated and it made no difference for this carrier. The faction against Trump may be happy to lose the Reagan in the Sea of Japan because of these facts in a false flag incident (1898: "Remember the Maine" which prompted the Spanish American War).

https://www.stripes.com/news/16-us-s...ation-1.399094

Normally I would predict nothing comes of the NK crisis because nothing ever does (KJI was master of the con), but something may happen here depending on how Trump handles this faction against him and how external forces react. I expect a deal, if one can be struck, but I also say watch the position of the USS Ronald Reagan. She is not long for the world one way or another.

I don't know if Trump is bright enough to be "playing 4-D chess" as people joked here, but he and his blood children are very much in an extremely dangerous situation (there is an Israeli angle to all this but I'm already at nearly 1800 words).

Pray he can manage this monster.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump should hold off and hope this asteroid slams into Kim Kong

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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A US perspective on this madness...
I can't tell how much of this is your own words and how much you're quoting. Could you kindly use quote marks or HTML tags as appropriate to make it more clear? Also add a TL;DR because as much as we might like to debate Trump no one wants to read that much text at once. Thanks.
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I can't tell how much of this is your own words and how much you're quoting. Could you kindly use quote marks or HTML tags as appropriate to make it more clear? Also add a TL;DR because as much as we might like to debate Trump no one wants to read that much text at once. Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback, Tl:dr did not occur to me . They are all my words except for where there is a paragraph in quotes before a link.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The times when you're not sure if the North Korean ruler or his US-American counterpart is more sane.. but you're actually putting your money on Kim Jong Un..
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I'm putting my money on peace. I hope that US president will make a right decision in respect of North Korea. Peace! Say it again!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Trump should hold off and hope this asteroid slams into Kim Kong

https://www.bluewin.ch/de/news/wisse...-nah-a-bd.html
If it wasn't for China the little Kim Kong would have been history by now...Yet no Efer, ever, criticises China. Why am I not surprised....
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Whatever happened to Morgannon?
Fictional characters can always be written out of the script; sadly real life is a little bit more complicated!
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