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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump wins again!

"For all President Donald Trump's recent "fire and fury" rhetoric toward North Korea, he seems to have accurately assessed Kim Jong Un's unwillingness to provoke the US with a missile test near Guam and called the North Korean leader on his bluff."

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Now that he's saved the day I can't wait for the msm to say something positive about him!

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Trump wins again!

"For all President Donald Trump's recent "fire and fury" rhetoric toward North Korea, he seems to have accurately assessed Kim Jong Un's unwillingness to provoke the US with a missile test near Guam and called the North Korean leader on his bluff."

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Now that he's saved the day I can't wait for the msm to say something positive about him!
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If you have a problem with freedom of speech, you should try living somewhere that doesn't have any. ALL liberty begins with freedom of speech.
I have no problem at all with freedom of speech, neither its definition nor its restrictions. Yes, freedom of speech is always restricted to some extent - if you were unaware of that. Under Article 19 and 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:

"The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals."


And also:

"Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law."

I would argue that marching down the streets waving Nazi and Confederate flags belongs in the category of "advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred...etc.". The United States government has generally notoriously erred on the side of more freedom rather than less freedom in this sense, vs. for example, countries like Germany or Italy where walking around with Nazi symbols and promoting fascism are actual crimes.

To each its own: if labeling the Nazi flag marchers in Charlottesville as uneducated idiots means being elitist and against freedom of speech, so be it - we can certainly agree to disagree.
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Old 15.08.2017, 22:41
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Of course you are correct; but is it better argue to against such people or to laugh at them? I doubt they are susceptible to logical arguments?
I prefer to argue rationally as much as possible. Maybe laugh in private, but publicly you have to keep trying to reason with people and not give up on them.
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Trump has reversed his position again on Charlottesville and is now blaming the "alt left"

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I stay with my view that he is a very unpleasant man
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Old 15.08.2017, 23:09
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Don't worry; it simply states that Trump was very successful and therefore N.Korea is giving up nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles and Kim Jong-un himself is retiring and will take up gardening
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Donald J. Trumpt @realDonaldTrump 6 hours ago

For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
Excellent that the neo nazi supporting CEOs will voluntarily come out of the closet!
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Don't worry; it simply states that Trump was very successful and therefore N.Korea is giving up nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles and Kim Jong-un himself is retiring and will take up gardening
Thanks, now i can fall asleep knowing that DT has singlehandedly saved the world from nuclear annihilation. The man never stops working!

Kinda strange that the US (and Swiss company ABB) sold NK nuclear tech back in the day..

'The type of reactors involved in the ABB deal produce plutonium which needs refining before it can be weaponised. One US congressman and critic of the North Korean regime described the reactors as "nuclear bomb factories".'
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Kinda strange that the US (and Swiss company ABB) sold NK nuclear tech back in the day..

'The type of reactors involved in the ABB deal produce plutonium which needs refining before it can be weaponised. One US congressman and critic of the North Korean regime described the reactors as "nuclear bomb factories".'
In 1994 the US and DPRK entered into an agreement where the US was supposed to provide Light Water Reactors (LWRs) with DPRK shutting down its 5MW graphite-moderated reactor which was capable of producing plutonium. I would not be surprised if these companies were part of the LWR effort.

The Guardian article explains the Bush Administration discontinued the policy of appeasement by the Clinton State Department and instead branded the regime as part of the Axis of Evil. The 1994 Agreed Framework to provide LWRs had collapsed by 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework
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Trump has reversed his position again on Charlottesville and is now blaming the "alt left"

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"I wonder is it George Washington next week, is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You have to ask yourself, when does this stop?"
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"I wonder is it George Washington next week, is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You have to ask yourself, when does this stop?"
Trump seems more concerned about long dead people rather than the present killing of live people
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Scott Paul, head of the Alliance for American Manufacturing, quit Trump's manufacturing council on Tuesday. He said on Twitter it was "the right thing for me to do."
He joined the CEOs of Merck, Under Armour and Intel, who all left the council Monday.
Two more!
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Deputy Chief of Staff Thea Lee resigned on Tuesday from President Donald Trump's manufacturing council, slamming his remarks about protests in Virginia and saying he "tolerates bigotry and domestic terrorism."

The statement by the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of labor unions in the United States, cited Trump's remarks at a news conference earlier Tuesday in which he said both left- and right-wing groups were to blame for violence in Virginia after a white supremacist rally on Saturday.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Obama's tweet in response to Charlottesville attack is one of the biggest tweets ever.
The tweet has been liked more than 2.5 million times, making it the second-most liked tweet of all time a Twitter spokesperson confirmed to CNN.

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Eat your heart out Trump

Who is the Twitter master?

Edit - Trump tweeted a number of times about Charlottesville, his top result was 150,000 likes
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Think the analysis from the Beeb reporter Anthony Zurcher is pretty much spot on.

"On Monday, Donald Trump's condemnation of the far-right came from advisers counselling him on what was politically necessary to defuse the growing storm following the Charlottesville violence.

On Tuesday, the president said what he really thought.

Although he initially explained away the delay in condemnations of white supremacists as necessary for him to gather "the facts" of the situation, the nature of the protests were quite evident by the evening before, when demonstrators chanting white supremacist slogans held a torchlight parade through Charlottesville.

In any regard, Mr Trump has shown little reluctance in jumping to conclusions about violent incidents when it appears Islamic extremism is at play.

Upon further questioning, it became clear that the president views the Charlottesville unrest as far from a one-sided affair. Mixed in among the white supremacists, he said, were some good, peaceful people protesting the removal of a statue (of a man who led an army against the US government). And there were plenty of violent individuals among the counter-protesters as well.

When the president on Saturday said there were "many sides" to blame, he meant it.

If Donald Trump's initial handling of the fallout from Charlottesville started a political fire, on Tuesday the president poured on a bucket of kerosene and danced around the flames."

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

In the Alabama special election for a Senate seat last night nobody won the Republican primary, Moore (39%), Strange (32%) will advance to the GOP runoff in September.

In the Presidential election Trump won Alabama by 28 points so his strong and repeated support for Luther Strange should have meant a certain victory for Strange but it did not.

Now the GOP Senators facing reelection in 2018 have a very difficult decision ahead of them.
Should they claim a strong relationship with Trump during their campaign or distance themselves?
Does the Alabama result show a weakening of Trump electoral support or was it a local exception due to Moore being a strong local candidate?

Other news, the Obama tweet on Charlottesville now with 2.7 Million likes has become the most liked tweet ever! Obama's tweet has ca. twenty times so many likes as Trump's most liked tweet on Charlottesville.

Edit - Utah 3rd congressional district special election GOP primary won by John Curtis, who was once a Democrat and said he had strong moral concerns that kept him from voting for Trump. The other two candidates both voted for Trump Source
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What Trump said was the truth.

As despicable as Nazis showing up was, not everyone at the rally was a Nazi or a KKK member. A lot of them were protesting at having a statue removed, and whether you agree or disagree with them, they had obtained a permit for their rally and they had every right to protest.

Antifa turned up and decided they would decide who is entitled to free speech and who is allowed to protest. As per their norm they resorted to violence to get their message across. And, as usual, the "unbiased media" downplayed their role in the violence.
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What Trump said was the truth.

As despicable as Nazis showing up was, not everyone at the rally was a Nazi or a KKK member. A lot of them were protesting at having a statue removed, and whether you agree or disagree with them, they had obtained a permit for their rally and they had every right to protest.

Antifa turned up and decided they would decide who is entitled to free speech and who is allowed to protest. As per their norm they resorted to violence to get their message across. And, as usual, the "unbiased media" downplayed their role in the violence.
While much of what you say may be true in terms of not everyone were Neo Nazis / KKK, and that the left are often as aggressive as the right, only one side drove a car into a crowd and that is what will be remembered.
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What Trump said was the truth.

As despicable as Nazis showing up was, not everyone at the rally was a Nazi or a KKK member. A lot of them were protesting at having a statue removed, and whether you agree or disagree with them, they had obtained a permit for their rally and they had every right to protest.

Antifa turned up and decided they would decide who is entitled to free speech and who is allowed to protest. As per their norm they resorted to violence to get their message across. And, as usual, the "unbiased media" downplayed their role in the violence.
The rally was organised by known right wing extremists, to the extent that some "alt right" groups refused to attend for fear of being associated with nazis.

If one chooses to live with pigs, one can expect to be made into bacon.
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You just made that up, didn't you?
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The rally was organised by known right wing extremists, to the extent that some "alt right" groups refused to attend for fear of being associated with nazis.

If one chooses to live with pigs, one can expect to be made into bacon.
Fair enough.

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While much of what you say may be true in terms of not everyone were Neo Nazis / KKK, and that the left are often as aggressive as the right, only one side drove a car into a crowd and that is what will be remembered.
I agree, and Trump has singled him out as being a disgrace to his country and said that what he did was horrible and inexcusable.

But he also mentioned the other violence between the groups which led up to the flashpoint and he said that the far left was also partly responsible. He also mentioned that the media seemed to be downplaying this aspect.
And he is right.
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