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Although the far right do like their uniforms, pointy hats and other paraphernalia whereas the far left seem to be more comfortable in T-shirts and flip flops.
I think you are getting Left (normal) confused with Far (extremist and/or militant) Left.
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Violence coupled with a sense of moral righteousness, is precisely how terrorists emerge.

-Majaad Nawaz.
You no longer believe religion is the driver since you are quoting a Muslim?
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As much as it may pain you to admit, sadly these days it's the left which is all about shutting down opposing viewpoints and the right is more about free speech for all.
Absolutely right. That's why that woman was so eloquently run over.
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Whether you agree with their far left beliefs or not (communism, open borders) the fact that []they[/s]some believe political violence can be morally justifiable is very dangerous.
I have no doubt some folks wouldn't hesitate to fight with guns and more for what they perceive to be their right.

The threat couldn't be more patent. And they're not from the left.

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I have no doubt some folks wouldn't hesitate to fight with guns and more for what they perceive to be their right.

The threat couldn't be more patent. And they're not from the left.
You are aware that those people are the ones that applied for a permit so that they could rally and the far left came to violently remonstrate and eventually shut down their lawful protest?

That is why Trump was right to call out both sides.
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BBC: Trump stance on Charlottesville violence angers Republicans

Trump's stance seems rather like the "all lives matter" response to "black lives matter", i.e. downplaying or dismissing racism or the concerns of its victims.

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You are aware that those people are the ones that applied for a permit so that they could rally and the far left came to violently remonstrate and eventually shut down their lawful protest?

That is why Trump was right to call out both sides.
You don't need a permit to collectively express opinions in the USA, it is called Freedom of Assembly. The only people protesting were the far right - protesting at the decision to take the statues down.
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You don't need a permit to collectively express opinions in the USA, it is called Freedom of Assembly.
generally not true

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/peaceful-assembly/us.php
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Old 16.08.2017, 16:44
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Okay, risking to be blamed of asking a stupid question:
Why is a president of the USA expected to comment every crime commited?

Crimes commited here are commented in the media. Our Bundesrat does not comment them, also not if they were religiously, politically or racially founded.
Because they are crimes amongst citizens. Crimes are automatically condemned. And sentenced by the law.

If there is "crime tourism" (often spotted on May 1st) politics doesn't bother to condemn it but takes all legal measures to stop or reduce it.
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If I were to see a skinhead walking down the street, I would probably shake my head and ignore them. As soon as that same skinhead threatens or attacks me, or anyone else for that matter, it becomes a different story.
I used to have some mates, fellow Spurs fans, who were ANL skinheads. They were just into the music and the clothes, but not the politics held by some. I used to go to matches with them and the opposing fans never knew what to make of them. Never judge a book...

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If someone was screaming in my face that my race/religion/gender/sexual orientation should be subjugated, expelled and eradicated, I'd get bloody violent on their arses too. And I never fight anyone...
Same here. Come after me and my family and I'll take you down.

Let's not forget that the woman who was killed was on a public street in her home town. As a member of the public, you have every right to be in your home town and heckle a demonstration. Nobody needs a permit for that! The EDL had permission when they twice tried to march in Liverpool. Once they didn't even get out of the train station because of the strength of public animosity towards them. The second time, they were laughed out of town to the Benny Hill theme tune.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...-hill-13133627

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Whether you agree with their far left beliefs or not (communism, open borders)
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You are aware that those people are the ones that applied for a permit so that they could rally and the far left came to violently remonstrate and eventually shut down their lawful protest?

That is why Trump was right to call out both sides.
There's zero excuse for murder, and that is what Trump is doing. It took him only one day though to essentially revert and show his true colors, adding further legitimisation for the supremacists.

This won't be the last such incident, quite the contrary.
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You are aware that those people are the ones that applied for a permit so that they could rally and the far left came to violently remonstrate and eventually shut down their lawful protest?

That is why Trump was right to call out both sides.
The white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and Ku Klux Klan members protesting today in Charlottesville, Virginia, have an unusual ally behind them: the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The ACLU is defending the protesters’ right to demonstrate at Emancipation Park in Charlottesville at the site of a controversial statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee that is scheduled to be torn down.

The city of Charlottesville had tried to revoke the protest permit of one of the rally organizers, Jason Kessler. But the ACLU, among others, came to his legal defense, arguing in court that the move was trying to unlawfully restrict his free speech.

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Old 16.08.2017, 18:12
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Okay, risking to be blamed of asking a stupid question:
Why is a president of the USA expected to comment every crime commited?

Crimes commited here are commented in the media. Our Bundesrat does not comment them, also not if they were religiously, politically or racially founded.
Because they are crimes amongst citizens. Crimes are automatically condemned. And sentenced by the law.

If there is "crime tourism" (often spotted on May 1st) politics doesn't bother to condemn it but takes all legal measures to stop or reduce it.
I agree.

Must a president even make his views on everything known?

A president's job is to lead the nation forward in the best interests of all ist citizens.

It's not his job to pick sides in every squabble, shed tears over every tragedy, and make some smarter than thou comment on everything anybody does. Leave that job to the pastors and newpaper columnists.

We need less of this government by twitter thing, not more.
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...Now that he's saved the day I can't wait for the msm to say something positive about him!
Take it easy. North Korea might have decided to wait and see for now, but I'd guess Kim is more of a nutter than Trump so anything is still possible.

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Trump has reversed his position again on Charlottesville and is now blaming the "alt left"...I stay with my view that he is a very unpleasant unstable man
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...Now the GOP Senators facing reelection in 2018 have a very difficult decision ahead of them.
Should they claim a strong relationship with Trump during their campaign or distance themselves? ...
Only some senators are up for re-election in 2018. The entire House is up, so that could be more interesting. However, a large number of House seats have been gerrymandered to be safely Republican so the question is which type of Republican will voters choose - moderates or extremists?

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Okay, risking to be blamed of asking a stupid question:
Why is a president of the USA expected to comment every crime commited?
It's a precedent/historical thing. The president is supposed to take to the airwaves when something terrible happens that shakes our psyche - whether that's a crime or a natural disaster or even the Challenger and Columbia shuttle tragedies. He or she is supposed to look into the camera with sympathetic eyes (or prior to that speak on the radio in a sympathetic voice) and tell all the people everything will be okay.

It's kind of like mom kissing your knee when you fall down - it doesn't really do anything tangible, but somehow you feel better.

Then there's Trump. He's like the mean dad that says you deserved to fall down and scrape your knee, so suck it up and don't fall down again.
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There's zero excuse for murder, and that is what Trump is doing.
You must of missed the part where Trump described his actions as inexcusable as well as calling him a disgrace to the country.

He still condemned white supremacists, the only thing he added was that the far left also played a role in the violence.

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He still condemned white supremacists, the only thing he added was that the far left also played a role in the violence.
His gut instinct was to make sure that blame was also apportioned to the counter-protestors, or he wouldn't have ad-libbed (what it sounded like) "on all sides, on all sides" in his scripted condemnation. He picked up that theme and ran with it in his most recent press conference. Scared he's going to lose "alt-right" votes.

Donald Trump defends his initial statement about Charlottesville to reporters (full exchange)
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His new adviser Hope Hicks could hot up things in the oval office.( remember Monica )
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

After 3M CEO Inge Thulin and Campbell Soup Co. CEO Denise Morrison on Wednesday became the sixth and seventh executives to resign from President Donald Trump’s Manufacturing Jobs Initiative, he abruptly disbanded the council.

Said Morrison : "Racism and murder are unequivocally reprehensible and are not morally equivalent to anything else that happened in Charlottesville. I believe the President should have been – and still needs to be – unambiguous on that point. Following yesterday’s remarks from the President, I cannot remain on the Manufacturing Jobs Initiative."

Said Trump : “Rather than putting pressure on the business people of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both, Thank you all!”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...g-council.html
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After 3M CEO Inge Thulin and Campbell Soup Co. CEO Denise Morrison on Wednesday became the sixth and seventh executives to resign from President Donald Trump’s Manufacturing Jobs Initiative, he abruptly disbanded the council.

Said Morrison : "Racism and murder are unequivocally reprehensible and are not morally equivalent to anything else that happened in Charlottesville. I believe the President should have been – and still needs to be – unambiguous on that point. Following yesterday’s remarks from the President, I cannot remain on the Manufacturing Jobs Initiative."

Said Trump : “Rather than putting pressure on the business people of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both, Thank you all!”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...g-council.html
So much for Trump's lying tweet that he had many CEOs queuing up to join these groups #meltdown

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For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
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His new adviser Hope Hicks could hot up things in the oval office.( remember Monica )
Hope he gets lucky!

This is a clear indication that senior people do not want any more to risk their reputation/credibility working for Trump in the WH
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