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Why the hell should the media (as if it is one monolith, rather than varying sources of varying political persuasions) remain impartial?

Sorry, you don't get to whine because some outlets don't write / broadcast what you like...there's always North Korea if you can't hack that.


Whining, right..

Trump's an asshat. Yes, he's likely a bit racist. But to go full Godwin on him is ridiculous.

What's this about North Korea? Are you implying that i'm against freedom of speech?
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Old 24.08.2017, 11:26
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It is a real Stern cover; it is on the Stern site here!
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Old 24.08.2017, 11:28
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Whining, right..

Trump's an asshat. Yes, he's likely a bit racist. But to go full Godwin on him is ridiculous.

What's this about North Korea? Are you implying that i'm against freedom of speech?
Maybe if you read the article about Trump in that Stern magazine you might understand why they used that picture?
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Old 24.08.2017, 11:31
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Whining, right..

Trump's an asshat. Yes, he's likely a bit racist. But to go full Godwin on him is ridiculous.

What's this about North Korea? Are you implying that i'm against freedom of speech?
a "bit" racist? what's that?
There are "fine people" among neo-nazis he said....he totally deserves the Stern cover.
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Old 24.08.2017, 11:36
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Whining, right..

Trump's an asshat. Yes, he's likely a bit racist. But to go full Godwin on him is ridiculous.

What's this about North Korea? Are you implying that i'm against freedom of speech?
Godwin himself has already stated that we are completely entitled to invoke his law when referring to Trump.
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It is a real Stern cover; it is on the Stern site here!
Gees!
I was wary because some Chinese tourists were arrested for doing that salute outside the Reichstag a few weeks ago, so I wasn't sure if it could be shown on a magazine cover. Apparently it can!
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Old 24.08.2017, 11:43
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a "bit" racist? what's that?
There are "fine people" among neo-nazis he said....he totally deserves the Stern cover.
Well, I hadn't read the article, to be honest... just seen the pic that was posted of the cover.

A 'bit' racist is just that. Obviously there is a grey area between feeling uncomfortable while walking in a minority ghetto and going out and lynching minorities, for example.

Or maybe Trump is 'a lot' racist, I don't know. I personally wouldn't compare him to Hitler, however.

I don't defend Trump, his words, his deeds, in the slightest - but don't defend the media for pushing their agenda, either.
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Well, I hadn't read the article, to be honest... just seen the pic that was posted of the cover.

A 'bit' racist is just that. Obviously there is a grey area between feeling uncomfortable while walking in a minority ghetto and going out and lynching minorities, for example.

Or maybe Trump is 'a lot' racist, I don't know. I personally wouldn't compare him to Hitler, however.

I don't defend Trump, his words, his deeds, in the slightest - but don't defend the media for pushing their agenda, either.
Does anyone even think Stern has used that image to...inform people? Or to sell. Media do not need to be defended, just their real interests reminded to those who are ready to be ethically outraged about whatever flavor of the day.

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I don't defend Trump, his words, his deeds, in the slightest - but don't defend the media for pushing their agenda, either.
Do you think that the media should stop reporting on speeches/comments by the President of the United States?
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A 'bit' racist is just that. Obviously there is a grey area between feeling uncomfortable while walking in a minority ghetto and going out and lynching minorities, for example.
It depends...do you feel uncomfortable because they are black / latino / etc or do you feel uncomfortable because the area is statistically more dangerous than your hood? The fact you would specify a minority ghetto (rather than a white ghetto / council estate - which exist in ever greater number and are equally dangerous) tells me you might be a "bit racist".
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ANDY HEMMING - W.H. RAPID RESPONSE DIRECTOR IS OUT
Who?

HEMMING WAS SENIOR ADVISER for research at the RNC in the 2016 cycle and director of research on the Trump campaign.
At the White House, he worked from 5:30 a.m. to 11 p.m. every weekday and was a regular in reporters’ inboxes, blasting out stories favourable to the administration.
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It depends...do you feel uncomfortable because they are black / latino / etc or do you feel uncomfortable because the area is statistically more dangerous than your hood?
I've been in 'white ghettos'. I didn't exactly feel comfortable in the slightest, and I was glad to get out of there.

I've been in 'black ghettos'. I didn't exactly feel comfortable there either, especially when I got jumped by a group of young thugs calling me 'honkey'. Luckily a cop car rounded the corner before they could get me on the ground. I was glad to get out of there, alive.
Then there's that time a good friend of mine got shot and killed in an attempted carjacking. And that time, and that time...


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The fact you would specify a minority ghetto (rather than a white ghetto / council estate - which exist in ever greater number and are equally dangerous) tells me you might be a "bit racist".
lol.

Call me racist because going into a black ghetto as a white guy (or as a black guy, or purple guy, doesn't matter) is dangerous?

Or is it common sense?

You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to walk around the black ghettos in the US thinking that it's no less safe than a white ghetto, or a latino ghetto, or an asian ghetto, etc.
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I've been in 'white ghettos'. I didn't exactly feel comfortable in the slightest, and I was glad to get out of there.

I've been in 'black ghettos'. I didn't exactly feel comfortable there either, especially when I got jumped by a group of young thugs calling me 'honkey'. Luckily a cop car rounded the corner before they could get me on the ground. I was glad to get out of there, alive.
Then there's that time a good friend of mine got shot and killed in an attempted carjacking. And that time, and that time...




lol.

Call me racist because going into a black ghetto as a white guy (or as a black guy, or purple guy, doesn't matter) is dangerous?

Or is it common sense?

You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to walk around the black ghettos in the US thinking that it's no less safe than a white ghetto, or a latino ghetto, or an asian ghetto, etc.

Shhh..I have done this - walk in ghettos looking completely oblivious. Abracadabra, nothing happens. Now I have a proof that I am not racist. Since we need to establish that, it seems, before every mildly intelligent discourse. So your opponent can actually listen.

Would I repeat those times I was wondering in dangerous places? No way. Common sense is an iffy phenomenon to define, but individual's gut feeling might pass.

Maybe we can contribute to people's safety if info on crime actually circulates, instead of myths of one global safe planet.
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No disagreement on the general principle of feeling edgy walking through run down areas.

My point was why bring up "minority ghetto", if, as you later backtrack to claim, you actually meant all ghettos?
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Shhh..I have done this - walk in ghettos looking completely oblivious. Abracadabra, nothing happens. Now I have a proof that I am not racist. Since we need to establish that, it seems, before every mildly intelligent discourse. So your opponent can actually listen.

Would I repeat those times I was wondering in dangerous places? No way. Common sense is an iffy phenomenon to define, but individual's gut feeling might pass.

Maybe we can contribute to people's safety if info on crime actually circulates, instead of myths of one global safe planet.
Im not sure that would work either.


People consistently overestimate just how much crime there is. If you released accurate figures, people of a certain disposition would likely write them off as unrepresentative of the bigger picture.


People love their misery, and they love believing the current administration is either too soft on crime, or blowing it way out of proportion.
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I was wary because some Chinese tourists were arrested for doing that salute outside the Reichstag a few weeks ago, so I wasn't sure if it could be shown on a magazine cover. Apparently it can!
IIRC Nazi symbols are illegal in Germany except when used for art, education and a few other cases. I guess this is one of those art cases.
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Im not sure that would work either.


People consistently overestimate just how much crime there is. If you released accurate figures, people of a certain disposition would likely write them off as unrepresentative of the bigger picture.


People love their misery, and they love believing the current administration is either too soft on crime, or blowing it way out of proportion.
I think what blows stuff out of proportion is anxiety. It is also generally well fed by whoever is trying to sell something. Numbers should be available to everybody, there is however, a trend to under-report for pc reasons.

Wish your statement about people loving their misery was true, there are strong facts available about optimism bias lately, and all the nuisance it creates in people's lives. Downers are reported to be seeing things/dangers closer to reality. Mildly down folks. Not those looking for signs of doomsday on every corner
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No disagreement on the general principle of feeling edgy walking through run down areas.

My point was why bring up "minority ghetto", if, as you later backtrack to claim, you actually meant all ghettos?
We were discussing racism - you asked what I meant by 'a bit racist'. I responded with an example to point out that there are varying degrees of racism. If you reread it, you'll see.
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We were discussing racism - you asked what I meant by 'a bit racist'. I responded with an example to point out that there are varying degrees of racism. If you reread it, you'll see.
Yes, and I would say using the term "minority ghetto" is a bit racist. Glad we've cleared that up.
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Yes, and I would say using the term "minority ghetto" is a bit racist. Glad we've cleared that up.
If you decide to police somebody's language - you risk coming across as Think Police. I know you are aware of that. It would be helpful, though, to the discussion, to offer a term that does not offend your sensibilities, instead of giving a list of things that others cannot say.
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