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It is entertaining. He knows how to do it. He launches stuff people will gobble him more for. (The people he writes for)
You are confusing him with Clinton
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I'll bet this gets deleted in the next ten minutes by some aide who actually managed to pass primary school and really does have the best words.

What an acute embarrassment to all Americans that man Trump is.
Unbelievable... here's his follow-up tweet. He has the education level of a 9-year-old. Only my 9-year-old would do better.
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It is entertaining. He knows how to do it. He launches stuff people will gobble him more for. (The people he writes for)
Riiiiiiiight. He is deliberately incapable of writing in proper English.
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I disagree completely - you attempt to sweep the dirt under the carpet and pretend it's not there.

I see racism and prejudice as common, natural phenomenons that occurs across all populations. They bias us and make us act differently than we would to people who are less similar to ourselves than others. If we don't recognize that they exist, even in ourselves, how could we ever hope to understand them and mitigate their effects on our actions and behaviors?
Both racism and prejudice are entirely learned behaviours. No children are racist until told to be so be their elders.

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I noticed you pretend to be a snowflake for noble reasons. Robin-Hoody.
Obviously. I am personally not offended by any of this. As I mentioned, people are totally entitled to their own opinions and anyone who tried to limit this by playing the offence card should be ignored.
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Both racism and prejudice are entirely learned behaviours. No children are racist until told to be so be their elders.
More often their peers, most grow out of it, losers entrench themselves deeper in it.
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Old 24.08.2017, 15:20
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I'll bet this gets deleted in the next ten minutes by some aide who actually managed to pass primary school and really does have the best words.

What an acute embarrassment to all Americans that man Trump is.
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Unbelievable... here's his follow-up tweet. He has the education level of a 9-year-old. Only my 9-year-old would do better.
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Both racism and prejudice are entirely learned behaviours.
All kids discriminate against unfamiliarity. Whether you seek to interpret it as racism, or see it as a phenomenon of mistrust towards the unknown - up to you. But to politicize it is silly.

Those are the rules of cognition and info processing based on empirism. Socialization comes later. Us trying to label it, even more later. And it is useless. Just like it is useless to have a 5yr old innocent kisser being sued for harassment.

PS - discrimination, the ability to discern amongst our option, is the base of our info processing and decision making. The interest groups rooting for zero discrimination have their terminology a bit weird.
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I doubt Trump has enough backing to force McConnell to resign as he suggested. Anyway there is no obvious replacement ; better the devil you know!

Trumps base still love him so he will not be going anywhere soon either

Maybe Democrats will win enough seats in 2018 to permanently block any changes
Dems don't need to win seats to block any changes. Trump and Rs are doing a fine job of fighting amongst themselves.

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Does anyone even think Stern has used that image to...inform people? Or to sell. Media do not need to be defended, just their real interests reminded to those who are ready to be ethically outraged about whatever flavor of the day.
You answered your own question on the other thread - to sell, of course.

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...How about we offer trigger warnings? Safe space definitions?...
LOL I think then we have to start with thread titles -

Trigger warning - this thread is about Trump

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...I see racism and prejudice as common, natural phenomenons that occurs across all populations. They bias us and make us act differently than we would to people who are less similar to ourselves than others. If we don't recognize that they exist, even in ourselves, how could we ever hope to understand them and mitigate their effects on our actions and behaviors?
Agree with this.

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Wonder when he will complete that tweet?

Meanwhile he is busily attacking the only people who can help him
He's so confusing. I thought he believed the government needed a "good shutdown" in September, but now he thinks it's better to raise the debt ceiling and avert a shutdown?

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Both racism and prejudice are entirely learned behaviours. No children are racist until told to be so be their elders...
Have you ever watched the documentaries with young children, where they are asked to choose toys to play with and what name sounds better than another? Fascinating stuff.

In one documentary I watched, almost all the children in the class (mixed races, both genders) chose the white doll to play with instead of the black doll. When asked whether they would want to be friends with Amy or Sheniqua, they picked Amy. Even the black children chose the white doll and white-sounding names most frequently. Surely the parents of these children didn't instill such prejudice? Does racial bias permeate society so completely that even pre-schoolers have such prejudices for dolls and names?
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Old 24.08.2017, 15:25
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Oh, I missed the intermediate tweets... it took even Trump's smartest aide three goes to get the second tweet right.

No wonder this president can't get any of his "agenda" passed. He can't even write it down in the first place.
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I am blond. What if I was scared more? Does that make me more racist? Or smarter.
stereotypical?
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Both racism and prejudice are entirely learned behaviours.
A quick web search didn't find any research to support your claim...

On the bright side,

'The fact that prejudice often occurs automatically doesn’t mean we can’t find ways of overcoming its negative effects. For example, there is evidence that when people are made aware of their automatic prejudices, they can self-correct. And when we are encouraged to take the perspective of an outsider, it reduces our automatic prejudice towards that person’s group.'

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-of-prejudice/


By just reading about how you and everyone else are likely a tiny bit prejudiced by default will have already helped to correct for the bias.
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PS - discrimination, the ability to discern amongst our option, is the base of our info processing and decision making. The interest groups rooting for zero discrimination have their terminology a bit weird.
You are taking this slightly out of context. Discrimination is the ability to discern amongst our options AND to choose the most appropriate one. Basing a decision on skin colour, for example, is not the kind of discrimination that would help anyone make a sensible choice.
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stereotypical?
Stereotypical what? My experience with frequent lewd creeps and stranger danger? Probably, since it seems to grow exponentially with length of one's hair and is inverse with one's butt size

Aren't we all in our own ghettos.

I have read criticism, btw, of ghetto stereotyping, when pragma lingistics got sick of the perceived discrimination of ghetto talk in one's career. They said the sociolinguists running the research were trying too hard to actually make people think that their accent will kill their future. The findings linked work habits inherited in families as the main hindrance. Not even quality of schooling or environment, but lacking role models at home. Which for me as a teacher is a bit of a surprise, one tends to over-estimate the power of a good school, but as a parent I totally agree. Family matters and I agree with Trump who seems to promote the whole conservative family spirit.
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Pilatus, you are right on that point. I should of course have said that acting on perceived differences is an entirely learned trait, rather than noticing them.
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You are taking this slightly out of context. Discrimination is the ability to discern amongst our options AND to choose the most appropriate one. Basing a decision on skin colour, for example, is not the kind of discrimination that would help anyone make a sensible choice.
No, the context sticks. Kids totally pick as they please, only adults call it racist, a posteriori. You know why? They have no clue what we mean by "appropriate". Which is another thing where cultures clash: clothes? handshakes? human rights to life? chick career?

It is all linked to unfamiliarity. Kids are innocent in this, we give them the benefit of the doubt. So you tend to excuse those who do not know about your vision of appropriacy. Yet, there are situations of large groups of population who's ideas of appropriacy enter in direct conflict.

If you think we can manage the situation by familiarizing the new groups with the majority standards, kudos. Since you give them the benefit of the doubt of "not knowing" the sensible choices, as per your wording. What if it is not a question of "not knowing" but "not wanting", because in their world it is inappropriate? What if your (our) definition of racism for them is a survival?

While I totally agree with you, what is concerning to me is: volume, implementation and naievety of systems thinking people will get on with one another based on good will, which is impossible to define.

So - as per fuzzy terms as sensible and appropriate, in a multilevel system with various version of legislature culturally based, it seems like a big mess that not everyone is ready for. Those who point it out, are not all racist, and it already proved wrong to label them all with that magic, all encompassing fad term.
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No, the context sticks. Kids totally pick as they please, only adults call it racist, a posteri. You know why? They have no clue what we mean by "appropriate". Which is another thing where cultures clash: clothes? handshakes? human rights to life? chick career?

It is all linked to unfamiliarity. Kids are innocent in this, we give them the benefit of the doubt. So you tend to excuse those who do not know about your vision of appropriacy. Yet, there are situations of large groups of population who's ideas of appropriacy enter in direct conflict.

If you think we can manage the situation by familiarizing the new groups with the majority standards, kudos. Since you give them the benefit of the doubt of "not knowing" the sensible choices, as per your wording. What if it is not a question of "not knowing" but "not wanting", because in their world it is inappropriate? What if your (our) definition of racism for them is a survival?

While I totally agree with you, what is concerning to me is: volume, implementation and naievety of systems thinking people will get on with one another based on good will, which is impossible to define.

So - as per fuzzy terms as sensible and appropriate, in a multilevel system with various version of legislature culturally based, it seems like a big mess that not everyone is ready for. Those who point it out, are not all racist, and it already proved wrong to label them all with that magic, all encompassing fad term.
Ok. There is plenty of evidence to suggest they mimic the actions of their guardians though. Of course they do this innocently with no knowledge of the actual reasons for doing it, therefore it cannot be racial or prejudicial, these are concepts that are unknown to them.
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Oh, I missed the intermediate tweets... it took even Trump's smartest aide three goes to get the second tweet right.

No wonder this president can't get any of his "agenda" passed. He can't even write it down in the first place.
To bad? In Queens English would be "Too bad" or does the double "o" not exist in the US?

"Change tone"? Would "change style" not be better? maybe he ran out of characters or tone has different meanings over thier?
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Yes, and I would say using the term "minority ghetto" is a bit racist. Glad we've cleared that up.
Actually it's a pleonasm, ghettoes are by definition lived in by minorities.
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To bad? In Queens English would be "Too bad" or does the double "o" not exist in the US?

"Change tone"? Would "change style" not be better? maybe he ran out of characters or tone has different meanings over thier?
Double oops? Or is that ops in the US?
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Actually it's a pleonasm, ghettoes are by definition lived in by minorities.
Maybe in some countries, but my experience growing up was that it refered to economically deprived areas where substance abuse and petty crime was rife.
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