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Old 08.09.2017, 20:48
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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"mainstream media must take responsibility for reporting every detail of Trump's path to the Presidency and exacerbating feelings of fear and anxiety. "

Trump is doing the best he can to drive the mainstream media out of business so, of course, they do not treat him well. What else do you and he expect?
106 Fake news tweets!!

You know the expression "what goes around come around"?
If I recall correctly, they started being hostile towards him long before he started any of his childish retaliations. They were already jeering at him minutes after he announced he was going to enter the race, and haven't really stopped since.

Whereas I don't agree with his petty retaliations, I think the phrase "what goes around come around" can equally be applied to them.
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Old 08.09.2017, 22:26
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If I recall correctly, they started being hostile towards him long before he started any of his childish retaliations. They were already jeering at him minutes after he announced he was going to enter the race, and haven't really stopped since.

Whereas I don't agree with his petty retaliations, I think the phrase "what goes around come around" can equally be applied to them.
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Edit - Trump announced his presidential bid in June 2015
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He was attacking the media long before
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My @CNN interview with @wolfblitzercnn where I discuss @BarackObama's 'birth certificate' and why @CNN has low ratings

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So Republican lawmakers voting against hurricane relief; same as they did for Sandy.
Looking forward to the next time Trump blames the dems for being obstructionists.
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Old 09.09.2017, 10:25
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If I recall correctly, they started being hostile towards him long before he started any of his childish retaliations. They were already jeering at him minutes after he announced he was going to enter the race, and haven't really stopped since.

Whereas I don't agree with his petty retaliations, I think the phrase "what goes around come around" can equally be applied to them.
You don't think that just maybe the "mainstream media" (representing everybody, not just some slavering extremity of Trump's core fan base) saw way in advance what a disaster Trump would be as president, and applied that foresight to their reporting?
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You don't think that just maybe the "mainstream media" (representing everybody, not just some slavering extremity of Trump's core fan base) saw way in advance what a disaster Trump would be as president, and applied that foresight to their reporting?
Sounds sensible - please leave this thread immediately. You're spoiling our fun.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Old 10.09.2017, 10:17
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Best headline of the week, USAtoday
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I added the source but there are only a few words.
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Old 10.09.2017, 16:30
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Edit - Trump announced his presidential bid in June 2015
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He was attacking the media long before
The press are supposed to be held to higher standards.

So even if someone mocks the press and spits in their face, you would expect a serious press to stick to the facts and not act in petty retaliation.

By sinking to his level they have shown they are no better than he is.

You know, thousands of people are being mocked all the time for all sorts of reasons. The press just ums and ers and says, this is interesting and you have to remain neutral and understand the cirumstances, and they probably deserved it anyway.

But the moment somebody mocks them, it's all out war.

If those who should now better rise to the bait I have no sympathy.
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Old 10.09.2017, 16:38
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The POTUS is supposed to be held to higher standards.

So even if someone mocks the POTUS and spits in his face, you would expect a POTUS to stick to the facts and not act in petty retaliation.
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By sinking to his level they have shown they are no better than he is.
So in terms of honesty and reliability Trump started out somewhere clearly lower than the press. Which obviusly isn't not what's expected from the POTUS to begin with. Plus you directly contradict your own claim in #9081.
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Old 10.09.2017, 16:50
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FTFY

So in terms of honesty and reliability Trump started out somewhere clearly lower than the press. Which obviusly isn't not what's expected from the POTUS to begin with. Plus you directly contradict your own claim in #9081.
Not sure what you're trying to say here.

If you are implying that if somebody acts (or appears to act) childishly then its OK for the press to be dishonest about him, then I disagree.
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Old 10.09.2017, 16:55
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I am quite confident that he will keep promise 9.

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Old 10.09.2017, 17:58
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Not sure what you're trying to say here.

If you are implying that if somebody acts (or appears to act) childishly then its OK for the press to be dishonest about him, then I disagree.
You were saying earlier the press were hostile much before Trump voiced his childish retaliations. In that later post you say the press lowered themselves down to his level thus Trump was down on that level first. That's a contradiction.

I do agree that the press should act, let's say reputably (honesty can be disambiguous). But the same demand applies to the POTUS. You're implying it's Ok for him to be a disgrace for the office but not for the others.

Please note: I don't think "fake news" is generally justified WRT MSM.

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Old 11.09.2017, 12:17
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You were saying earlier the press were hostile much before Trump voiced his childish retaliations. In that later post you say the press lowered themselves down to his level thus Trump was down on that level first. That's a contradiction.

I do agree that the press should act, let's say reputably (honesty can be disambiguous). But the same demand applies to the POTUS. You're implying it's Ok for him to be a disgrace for the office but not for the others.

Please note: I don't think "fake news" is generally justified WRT MSM.
Yes and no.

But essentially the pot is calling the kettle black. Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's regrettable that Trump doesn't raise his tone.

But the press doing the same, and excusing themselves by saying "he did it too" is an awful blemish on their professionalism.

One day Trump will be history. But the press will be left with this difficult patch in their history that they threw objectivity out the window. How much work will it take to rebuild that trust and reputation.

Did they act like this when, for example, Nixon was telling lie after lie, or did they stick to the facts?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump has been quiet lately. Have the press found better things to report, or did hurricane Irma blow his phone out of his hand?
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Old 11.09.2017, 13:57
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Trump has been quiet lately. Have the press found better things to report, or did hurricane Irma blow his phone out of his hand?
No, he's just draft dodging again.
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But the press doing the same, and excusing themselves by saying "he did it too" is an awful blemish on their professionalism.

One day Trump will be history. But the press will be left with this difficult patch in their history that they threw objectivity out the window. How much work will it take to rebuild that trust and reputation.
Which major outlets did, got some (many) links? I'd be particularly interested in statements by what he calls "fake news", e.g. CNN.
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Old 11.09.2017, 15:19
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Yes and no.

But essentially the pot is calling the kettle black. Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's regrettable that Trump doesn't raise his tone.

But the press doing the same, and excusing themselves by saying "he did it too" is an awful blemish on their professionalism.

One day Trump will be history. But the press will be left with this difficult patch in their history that they threw objectivity out the window. How much work will it take to rebuild that trust and reputation.

Did they act like this when, for example, Nixon was telling lie after lie, or did they stick to the facts?
"or did they stick to the facts" Do you have sources that show they did not stick to the facts when reporting on Trump? Of course they have made a few errors which they corrected and apologised for.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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4:10, must be why he invited Xi to Mar-a-Lago: Because it's a shithole even below McD standards.
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