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Old 19.09.2017, 00:08
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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you know better, of course, but pretending to be dumber than you are is always a great way to squeeze out a sweet sweet "gotcha".
No, no, you're too kind. You're the one who knows all about acting dumb:
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compared to, let's say, people that shout diversity/racism this and that all the time (emmy awards 2017):

https://i.redd.it/332pd9fdpjmz.jpg
(well at least they tried: put a few poc in the front rows.)

here is the host, stephen colbert, from another angle
http://img.thedailybeast.com/image/u...rt-hero_ta4gm9
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Old 19.09.2017, 00:24
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Definitely not my dictionary. I understand that Merriam-Webster is beloved by all Americans. Well, all those who can read. For that reason, by the way, I'm not sure I can answer your question about whether Trump meant "they're rapists" or "their rapists", as I doubt he knows the difference. But in context and following a logical flow (both of which are long stretches wherever Trump is concerned, I know), and if, as you contend, Trump had somehow against all odds correctly employed a figure of speech, "they're rapists" makes more sense.
fits your narrative:
when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they [the mexican people] are rapists.
note: from your pic, heavily altered from original quote.

fits my narrative:
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime, [and bringing/sending] their rapists."

fits also my narrative:
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They [people that have lots of problems] are rapists.
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Old 19.09.2017, 02:44
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fits your narrative:
when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they [the mexican people] are rapists.
note: from your pic, heavily altered from original quote.

fits my narrative:
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime, [and bringing/sending] their rapists."

fits also my narrative:
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They [people that have lots of problems] are rapists.
Yes, I do get it, I understand the implications of either form of the homophone. It makes no difference, though, either way, Trump is racist (and alarmist). And in addition, what is "they're bringing those problems with us" all about? Is Trump an illegal Mexican immigrant now? Or does he simply not understand how prepositions work?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Another day, another episode in the soap story



Today;
Sitting in a makeshift studio overlooking the Moscow river on a crisp day in November 2013, Donald Trump pouted, stared down the lens of a television camera and said something he would come to regret.

Asked by an interviewer whether he had a relationship with Russian president Vladimir Putin, the brash New York businessman could not resist boasting. “I do have a relationship with him,” Trump said.

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“Our committee’s investigation will not be complete unless we fully understand who President Trump met with when he was over in Russia for Miss Universe, and what follow-up contacts occurred,” Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said in an interview.
I'm not sure how is this reflected on the USA-Russia relation now. It doesn't seem to have had such big of an impact, that relationship.
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Old 19.09.2017, 07:31
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I'm not sure how is this reflected on the USA-Russia relation now. It doesn't seem to have had such big of an impact, that relationship.
It simply proves that Trump is a liar—for the few who didn't know that already.

If Trump's campaign colluded with Russia to swing the election, then a crime was committed, regardless of whether it worked out well for them in the end.
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Old 19.09.2017, 10:21
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Yes, I do get it, I understand the implications of either form of the homophone. It makes no difference, though, either way, Trump is racist (and alarmist). And in addition, what is "they're bringing those problems with us" all about? Is Trump an illegal Mexican immigrant now? Or does he simply not understand how prepositions work?
but do you also understand the implications of altering the original quote?

"bringing problems with [them to] us" is of course not the best phrasing. these things happen in speeches, especially without a teleprompter (the quote is from a transcript, not a prewritten speech).

but then again, you knew all those things already, didnt you? but as you say, it makes no difference, trump is racist anyway because muh narrative.

thanks for spreading fake news tho, with that image.
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Old 19.09.2017, 10:30
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It's quite funny reading this thread and the dwindling fragments being mined to find a redeeming feature of Trump.
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Old 19.09.2017, 10:33
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It's quite funny reading this thread and the dwindling fragments being mined to find a redeeming feature of Trump.
lol a redeeming feature? more like the opposite no?

not like i came up out of the blue with a huge pic from a tired quote from 2015 as ultimate proof of his racism...
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lol a redeeming feature? more like the opposite no?

not like i came up out of the blue with a huge pic from a tired quote from 2015 as ultimate proof of his racism...
So you don't think the "tired quote" was worth the close to a dozen posts you made to defend it, then?
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Old 19.09.2017, 10:51
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So you don't think the "tired quote" was worth the close to a dozen posts you made to defend it, then?
yes the fight against fake news is long and tiresome. things have to be spelled out again and again, apparently.
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Old 19.09.2017, 10:58
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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lol a redeeming feature? more like the opposite no?

not like i came up out of the blue with a huge pic from a tired quote from 2015 as ultimate proof of his racism...
So please do provide a fresh quote to support your view
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Old 19.09.2017, 11:03
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So please do provide a fresh quote to support your view
sounds like you want me to prove a negative. no thanks.

you claim he is racist. the burden of proof is on you.
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Old 19.09.2017, 11:06
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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but do you also understand the implications of altering the original quote?

"bringing problems with [them to] us" is of course not the best phrasing. these things happen in speeches, especially without a teleprompter (the quote is from a transcript, not a prewritten speech).

but then again, you knew all those things already, didnt you? but as you say, it makes no difference, trump is racist anyway because muh narrative.

thanks for spreading fake news tho, with that image.
OK, I checked the transcript of Trump's racist speech. And look what I found -- the fool doubled down, as usual:

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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

–Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

–Trump, interview on Fox News’ “Media Buzz,” July 5, 2015

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

–Trump, statement about his June 16 comments, July 6, 2015
Firstly, the tired quote in the huge picture is exactly correct. It is edited from the original, with more derogatory venom from Trump deleted; the following was removed: "... they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us." Do you think, in some bizarre way, that this passage would reflect better on trump if it were included? You seem to see this edit as a malicious alteration, yet if anything it reduces the impression of racism.

But even better, in his July 6 quote it's clear that Trump does believe that the Mexican government is sponsoring illegal immigration into the United States. But you knew that already -- yet this is the guy you want to support at any cost. I guess it's OK for you, you don't have to live there.

So how do you feel about this post now? I've been careful not to edit it maliciously:

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hahaha i knew that one was coming. although i thought marton was the one to come up with it. you know better, of course, but pretending to be dumber than you are is always a great way to squeeze out a sweet sweet "gotcha".

yes trump and i totally believe that the mexican government has a secret scheme in which they put people in boxes and ship them over the border. possibly by catapult. all in an effort to undermine the usa and get rid of scum from mexico. just picture the handwringing and moustache curling going on under the sombreros.

definitely not figure of speech. no sir. and definitely makes no sense at all in the context of trump's way of thinking and speaking in terms of competition between the us, mexico, china, etc etc.

well you got me with the race thing i guess. how should we specify what definition of race we actually use? i mean, if even families are a race according to your dict... are you being racist towards the trumps?!
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sounds like you want me to prove a negative. no thanks.

you claim he is racist. the burden of proof is on you.
Look up. ^^
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sounds like you want me to prove a negative. no thanks.

you claim he is racist. the burden of proof is on you.
You think that proving Trump is not racist is a negative?
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Old 19.09.2017, 11:13
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

you call a quote from washpo a transcript?

i quoted part of the actual transcript, many, many posts previously

here it is in video form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZNBDBRHdwc
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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You think that proving Trump is not racist is a negative?
you're probably being funny, but i am never quite sure with you. so here it goes: negative as in the "absence of". not as "something bad".
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The only thing that's easy to prove an absence of during this regime, is key policy implementation.
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The only thing that's easy to prove an absence of during this regime, is key policy implementation.
Yeah, it is a bit as if the US is taking a holiday, isn't it.
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Yeah, it is a bit as if the US is taking a holiday, isn't it.
Indeed, it's lasted about 9 months so far, long may it continue.
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