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Instead of spurting things at the President, or whatever the non-impartial US press has decided to focus on, check the logistics of clearing the roads, and getting drivers to get all this stuff delivered to the interior of the island. There are US Navy vessels in the area helping out, etc etc.


That explains why it took him 10 days to agree to a waiver of the Jones Act, does it?


and why, when the waiver was finally granted, it was granted for 10 days only, despite the governer requesting a 1 year exemption, to allow the island to rebuild?


yeah, that sounds a like president who did all he could.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Or it just says how much America cares about Puerto Rico, that's not a state of the union. I'm not at all convinced the previous president would have done more, apart from having the press on his side.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Where does this whole expectation come from the the president needs to be in the front line of every catastrophe handing out bottled water?

Did Reagan do that, or Clinton, or JFK, or FDR or Thomas Jefferson?

When did it begin and why?

At the end of the day, doing that is just playing to the media and using a catastrophe to boost approvals ratings. There's not much that an extra pair of hands can genuinely do, whereas all the security and backstage stuff it takes to fly in a president probably prevents more help than it enables. Can't a president actually help more from his office than on the ground?
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Can't a president actually help more from his office than on the ground?
Of course. This is the real complaint here. Nobody is expecting DT to get waist deep in floodwater or pull babies out of wells.

They are probably expecting decisive leadership, action in less than a fortnight, and sympathetic communications, rather than "sucks to be you, pobres, i don't even see why we should help until you pay Wall St back".
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Instead of spurting things at the President, or whatever the non-impartial US press has decided to focus on, check the logistics of clearing the roads, and getting drivers to get all this stuff delivered to the interior of the island. There are US Navy vessels in the area helping out, etc etc. It's just that it does take time, and Puerto Rico isn't exactly a model of good government, so no surprises everything broke. I wonder if they'll make it to 51st state status after this or will Congress they really don't need a island that gets this broken (financially and physically)...


Meanwhile anyone notice Hillary still can't accept she was a bad candidate who no one really liked? And playing the "women MUST vote for women, it's verboten not to" card... Which Mrs Obama is doing too. Keep turning people off, it's working really to insure 2020 is sown up.
In the same timescale the US managed to deliver over double the number of helpers to Haiti, which is also an island. Haiti also had a "less than perfect" government so that is not a factor in comparison with Puerto Rico.

Edit - Haiti was not even a US possession!
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In the same timescale the US managed to deliver over double the number of helpers to Haiti, which is also an island. Haiti also had a "less than perfect" government so that is not a factor in comparison with Puerto Rico.

Edit - Haiti was not even a US possession!
But would Puerto Rico be a financial opportunity for the Clinton Foundation? I do hope Puerto Rico recovers better than Haiti does, otherwise you may as well evacuate the place for good. Also there is a large Marine Corps base on Puerto Rico, the "helpers" are already based there.

Dragging Haiti into this is just asking for Clinton debates.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The Trump admin. response has been abysmal. The fact that he could insinuate that it's not a 'real disaster like Katrina' is disgusting - there's countless people who have just lost loved ones, everything they own, have no food, water, elec, etc.... and Trump's 'Homeland' Secretary Elaine Duke had called it 'a good news story' !??

It used to make me a little shameful to think that he is a fellow American, but now it's to the point where it makes you feel a little queasy just knowing he's of the same species.

Hard to compare with Haiti, though - there were 220,000 people killed in that earthquake.
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But would Puerto Rico be a financial opportunity for the Clinton Foundation? I do hope Puerto Rico recovers better than Haiti does, otherwise you may as well evacuate the place for good. Also there is a large Marine Corps base on Puerto Rico, the "helpers" are already based there.

Dragging Haiti into this is just asking for Clinton debates.
"there is a large Marine Corps base on Puerto Rico" That makes the comparison with Haiti worse, not better. So you are saying that the US actually sent very few helpers to Puerto Rico.

The Clinton foundation itself raised a relatively modest $30m for aid projects in Haiti.
Their political enemies have wrongly claimed the family foundation directly controlled all the billions in funds.
A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing.

There were issues in Haiti; for example, the Pentagon billed the US State Department hundreds of millions of dollars for sending US troops to hand out bottled water and keep order on the streets of Haiti's ravaged capital, Port-au-Prince.
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Where does this whole expectation come from the the president needs to be in the front line of every catastrophe handing out bottled water?

Did Reagan do that, or Clinton, or JFK, or FDR or Thomas Jefferson?

When did it begin and why?
I don't have all the answers, but I refer you back to page 437, post #8534:

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It's a precedent/historical thing. The president is supposed to take to the airwaves when something terrible happens that shakes our psyche - whether that's a crime or a natural disaster or even the Challenger and Columbia shuttle tragedies. He or she is supposed to look into the camera with sympathetic eyes (or prior to that speak on the radio in a sympathetic voice) and tell all the people everything will be okay.

It's kind of like mom kissing your knee when you fall down - it doesn't really do anything tangible, but somehow you feel better.

Then there's Trump. He's like the mean dad that says you deserved to fall down and scrape your knee, so suck it up and don't fall down again.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I do not know if this is a real story or just a page filler

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'I’m sick and tired of nothing happening,' one contributor says of the party's legislative failures.

North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis, who oversees fundraising for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, told his colleagues at a recent conference meeting that donations had fallen off a cliff after the Obamacare flop. The committee’s haul plummeted to just $2 million in July and August, less than half of what it raised in June.
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I believe the big people who donate millions have not turned off their money taps but time will tell
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But would Puerto Rico be a financial opportunity for the Clinton Foundation? I do hope Puerto Rico recovers better than Haiti does, otherwise you may as well evacuate the place for good. Also there is a large Marine Corps base on Puerto Rico, the "helpers" are already based there.

Dragging Haiti into this is just asking for Clinton debates.
Why is Clinton relevant in this discussion, again? And most importantly, who cares?

Last time I checked, she is not the President, nor does she hold any sort of position in the current administration. She is a private citizen with her own opinions and actions like the rest of us, which we can agree with or disagree with.

I am more concerned about what the current U.S. President does or, more often, does not do.
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Tillerson " Trumps a moron ". The truth can get one into trouble
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Why is Clinton relevant in this discussion, again? And most importantly, who cares?
I think it keeps coming up because Trump himself keeps commenting on Clinton, as if she is still his opponent. This leads the discussion into the hypothetical WWHD (what would Hilary do) and of course no one really knows. But it's fun for Trump to divert the attention away from himself when things aren't going 100% his way.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...mp_135183.html

At this stage I'm just going to call all of you uninformed arrogant critics. Because you conflate everything with Haiti and/or Katrina in the hope of furthering your impeachment hopes. Too bad. I'm not discussing this any further.
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.. But it's fun for Trump to divert the attention away from himself when things aren't going 100% his way.
Not sure how personally amused he is, but he seems to be diverting attention where it is actually needed.
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At this stage I'm just going to call all of you uninformed arrogant critics. Because you conflate everything with Haiti and/or Katrina in the hope of furthering your impeachment hopes. Too bad. I'm not discussing this any further.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump is showing that he's totally out of step with so many people over the last 48hrs, particularly in these 4 ways.

1. Tillerson having to state again that he didn't call Trump "a moron" (allegedly). Trump claims it was all "NBC fake news".

2. Republican senators, and even the NRA, are willing to look at new rules for bump stocks. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/u...-shooting.html

3. All 5 living former Presidents will be attending a benefit concert to raise funds for hurricane relief. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/po...ert/index.html

4. Most tellingly (perhaps), Senator Bob Corker has been subtle as a brick again in this clip... http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/po...ump/index.html

With these, and so many other pressing issues on his 'to do' list, what is the President tweeting about?

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Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...94251967385600
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3. All 5 living former Presidents will be attending a benefit concert to raise funds for hurricane relief.
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At this stage I'm just going to call all of you uninformed arrogant critics. Because you conflate everything with Haiti and/or Katrina in the hope of furthering your impeachment hopes. Too bad. I'm not discussing this any further.
Basically it has nothing to do with Haiti and/or Katrina.
It is also has nothing to do with impeachment.
It is also has nothing to do with arrogance.

It has to do with 90% of the island so far without electricity for two weeks so homes and shops have no more safe to eat refrigerated or frozen food.
Most shops are unable to open because they cannot read credit cards or use electricity powered cash registers.
It has to do with 50% of the island not having a safe water supply with consequent risks of poisoning and/or diseases-

It is about US citizens possibly dying in many areas of Puerto Rico due to lack of food, medicine and sufficient rescue services.

Hopefully this will turn out to be much less serious than some are forecasting; time will tell. We can only wait and see.
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Basically it has nothing to do with Haiti and/or Katrina.
It is also has nothing to do with impeachment.
It is also has nothing to do with arrogance.

It has to do with 90% of the island so far without electricity for two weeks so homes and shops have no more safe to eat refrigerated or frozen food.
Most shops are unable to open because they cannot read credit cards or use electricity powered cash registers.
It has to do with 50% of the island not having a safe water supply with consequent risks of poisoning and/or diseases-

It is about US citizens possibly dying in many areas of Puerto Rico due to lack of food, medicine and sufficient rescue services.

Hopefully this will turn out to be much less serious than some are forecasting; time will tell. We can only wait and see.
Who cares? Those pesky Puerto Ricans can't vote in the next presidential election, anyway...
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Trump is showing that he's totally out of step with so many people over the last 48hrs, particularly in these 4 ways.

1. Tillerson having to state again that he didn't call Trump "a moron" (allegedly). Trump claims it was all "NBC fake news".

2. Republican senators, and even the NRA, are willing to look at new rules for bump stocks. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/u...-shooting.html

3. All 5 living former Presidents will be attending a benefit concert to raise funds for hurricane relief. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/po...ert/index.html

4. Most tellingly (perhaps), Senator Bob Corker has been subtle as a brick again in this clip... http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/po...ump/index.html

With these, and so many other pressing issues on his 'to do' list, what is the President tweeting about?


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...94251967385600
"Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!" Because the Senate Intel Committee is only looking into activities that may actually be criminal and contravene US laws?

Sadly there are no criminal laws against news that is just made up-FAKE or against tweets that are full of lies!
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