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For those who seem him that way - there is nothing easier for him than point fingers on those who make it difficult for him. And he will do it. And he might get support for that, the society is so emotionally hooked on all this, he is not going to miss a chance to cash it in.
So how do we measure Presidential success?

One well known theory looks at three factors.
First, we assess the external factors that a president faces when serving in office and how well he deals with those situations, events, and crises.
Next, we examine his ratings in public opinion polls throughout his presidency.
Finally, we can analyze his legislative success in implementing his campaign promises.

On this basis Trump scores below average so far?

Another theory states
1. The President must be re-elected
2. The President must handle major crises well
3. The President must have major, bipartisan legislative accomplishments

Probably too soon to judge these, although number 3 already looks unlikely.

What factors would you choose to measure Presidential success?
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So how do we measure Presidential success?

One well known theory looks at three factors.
First, we assess the external factors that a president faces when serving in office and how well he deals with those situations, events, and crises.
Next, we examine his ratings in public opinion polls throughout his presidency.
Finally, we can analyze his legislative success in implementing his campaign promises.

On this basis Trump scores below average so far?

Another theory states
1. The President must be re-elected
2. The President must handle major crises well
3. The President must have major, bipartisan legislative accomplishments

Probably too soon to judge these, although number 3 already looks unlikely.

What factors would you choose to measure Presidential success?

I agree it is too soon. Whatever is happening now is just simply about popularity, and it is fickle. People are trying to score by either pooping on him or saying they always knew he would win. To try to say whether he has done a good job - I think he did by winning, since he threw a major roadblock into overly confident crowd. If the crowd was any tiny bit smart, they would cooperate and calm the situation down, show maturity, feel superior over reflex behavior. Know their enemy, etc etc., work with him, please their voters for being the peace corps. The hysterics in the US is in nobody's interest, it is really unappealing, and long term unsustainable...protesters think they make a difference just by protesting. And people who are not hysterical are considered weak or dumb, by the group think. Tough times.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

True, and when you look at his interviews from 20 and 30yrs ago, the issues he fights the hardest for now are the same ones he used to bemoan because they thwarted his ambitions in the business World. The grand trick he's played is in convincing people that his issues are their issues too. He wants cheap energy and the coal miners want their jobs back. Stuff any environmental, health and safety concerns! It's all short term fixes to the banes of his business life.
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Old 20.11.2017, 11:03
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Another theory states
1. The President must be re-elected
2. The President must handle major crises well
3. The President must have major, bipartisan legislative accomplishments

Probably too soon to judge these, although number 3 already looks unlikely.
It looks like he might decide not to repeal Obama-era legislation banning the importation of Elephant (with a capital E) hunting trophies. How much more bipartisan, more understanding, more precedential could a President get?

(It should be noted though that Trump may simply be extending his Muslim ban to residents of other dubious countries with large Muslim populations, like, you know, Zimbabwe and Nambia.)
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True, and when you look at his interviews from 20 and 30yrs ago, the issues he fights the hardest for now are the same ones he used to bemoan because they thwarted his ambitions in the business World. The grand trick he's played is in convincing people that his issues are their issues too. He wants cheap energy and the coal miners want their jobs back. Stuff any environmental, health and safety concerns! It's all short term fixes to the banes of his business life.
The same applies to the tax proposition, he would be among those gaining the most. But that should hardly surprise given, for instance, his well-known refusal to have his company overssen by an independent and neutral entity.

People got what they voted for, and by doing so thousands literally voted their own hangman into power once ACA gets repealed.
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I agree it is too soon. Whatever is happening now is just simply about popularity, and it is fickle. People are trying to score by either pooping on him or saying they always knew he would win. To try to say whether he has done a good job - I think he did by winning, since he threw a major roadblock into overly confident crowd. If the crowd was any tiny bit smart, they would cooperate and calm the situation down, show maturity, feel superior over reflex behavior. Know their enemy, etc etc., work with him, please their voters for being the peace corps. The hysterics in the US is in nobody's interest, it is really unappealing, and long term unsustainable...protesters think they make a difference just by protesting. And people who are not hysterical are considered weak or dumb, by the group think. Tough times.
Both the Republicans and the Democrats are in a shambles. I think real change might have to happen from the ground up.....replacing dead weight of both parties with people willing to work and not posture.

The overly confident crowd seems to be on both sides of the political spectrum. However, I understand that there are groups in Congress trying to form bipartisan alliances.

The big problem still remains money in politics and I don‘t see that changing. I still do not believe Trump is competent, but I believe that the Republicans are happy to keep him in power so they can satisfy the wishes of their donors. They are not interested in Cooperation with the Democrats. Frankly, they don‘t need them.

So given this, why not protest? I rather think making as much noise as possible might help jar people out of their complacency. Not a fan of hysteria, but there is a lot of anxiety and fear, and not many remedies forthcoming.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Come to think of it, Trump himself displays a lot of hysteria. Calming him down might be a start........
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Trump campaign coordinator and ‘family values’ Republican pleads guilty to child sex trafficking, faces life in prison.

http://www.newsweek.com/republican-s...s/yahoous/news

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Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator and county campaign coordinator for President Donald Trump’s campaign last year, will plead guilty to a child sex trafficking charge after being accused of soliciting sex from a 17-year-old boy in March.

In exchange for his guilty plea, government prosecutors have agreed to drop three counts of child pornography against him.

Shortey is scheduled to plead guilty on November 30, two weeks before his trial was set to commence on December 5. Sex trafficking of a minor carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison, but Shortey could be sent to life in prison for the offense at a sentencing hearing in early 2018.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A federal judge has permanently blocked US President Donald Trump's executive order to cut funding from [sanctuary] cities that limit cooperation with US immigration authorities.

US District Court Judge William Orrick issued the ruling on Monday in lawsuits brought by two California counties, San Francisco and Santa Clara. Orrick said Trump cannot set new conditions on spending approved by Congress.
The ruling nullifies the executive order Trump signed in January, shortly after taking office, which was designed to crack down on so-called "sanctuary cities"

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Everyday something new about Trump, I suppose this will trek through the appeals process for months.....
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Yet more;

The Department of Homeland Security's inspector general [John Roth] informed lawmakers this week that Customs and Border Protection agents violated at least two court orders in their zeal to enforce the new mandate [Trump's first travel ban] and prevent specific passengers from the nations on the ban from boarding a plane.

According to Roth, the Trump administration is now seeking to hide its failures by engaging in a battle of redactions with the inspector general over whether large sections of the watchdog's report should be redacted from the report to be released to the public.

In the letter to three Senate Democrats, Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), Roth wrote that he had never encountered an agency trying to use this system to pursue such heavy redactions to a report.

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Let us hope Trump is learning from his mistakes....
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Its more than possible that he will be senile before his term ends.If he is not already
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

On the topic of proposed tax reform: there are many websites comparing the House bill and the Senate bill. Here is Bloomberg's graphics.

Generally speaking, the Senate bill is "more palatable" than the House version, although, it is apparent who the big winners are in both scenarios.

Coal miners and middle class? Nah! There are some "smokescreen carrots" for the average Joes and Janes - some increased deductions and some rate reductions, to be phased out after a period of time vs. the permanent lower corporate rate - but aside from that, the big winners would be real estate investment trusts, PE funds and other pass-throughs, large estates...The tech companies might like the "patent box" or "IP regime" at the lower rate as outlined in the Senate version, if that happens.

Let's see: real estate investments, PE funds, large estates...remind you of anyone?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump today
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“Women are very special, I think it’s a very special time because a lot of things are coming out and I think that’s good for our society and I think it’s very, very good for women, and I’m very happy a lot of these things are coming out, and I’m very happy it’s being exposed,” Trump told reporters.
I suppose he did not mean it the way it sounds?

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Edit - just a Freudian slip?
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I suppose he did not mean it the way it sounds?

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The big question however is this...


Will the turkey pardoned this Thanksgiving by the White House go by the name of Trump?
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Die-hard supporters interview.

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One seems to have had an epiphany, though...
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He's got to be the biggest arse hole that's ever been in the White House!!! And this lump that is always giving his press reports! Look at this arse hole spending taxpayers money.

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Will the turkey pardoned this Thanksgiving by the White House go by the name of Trump?
http://newsthump.com/2017/11/22/huge...giving-turkey/
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems many of them are "at it"!!

Barely related to Trump!

Joe Linus Barton (age 68) is a Republican politician, he serves as vice-chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committees representing Texas's 6th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1985, and a member of the Tea Party Caucus.

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Will the turkey pardoned this Thanksgiving by the White House go by the name of Trump?
I'm expecting Trump to tweet his displeasure that Drumstick, the pardoned turkey, hasn't shown sufficient gratitude for his pardon.
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