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Old 01.12.2017, 08:47
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I think you'll find Obama was trying to fix the mess Dubya left the country in! I agree that he continued to go along with the Drone bombing,but I think you live in la la land if you think that the POTUS has all the say in ongoing operations on national security. Obama did get American boots off the ground, and it was under his watch that Bin Laden was found. He reformed the Healthcare act and tried desperately to change gun laws. It's easy to sit around and say he did nothing but thats wrong he did a huge amount, and was at least presidential about it.
Obama was no better than Trump from a moral standpoint. In some ways he was worse. Trump is just more openly revolting.

If you have any Yemeni or Libyan friends, I'm sure they'll explain further.
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Old 01.12.2017, 08:54
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I will try to keep it simple!

The White House long ago confirmed that everything that Trump tweets is an official communication from the US President. Got it?

Consequently the UK cannot ignore the US President interfering in UK domestic affairs and fomenting racial hatred!

Just to be clear. Everything that Trump tweets is by definition official US policy. Got it now?
Retweeting is now interfering in domestic affairs and inciting racial hatred. There is no hope for you, is there?

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I will use the "almost Friday" excuse again!
From the Trump deleted Tweets archive there is a Tweet below addressed to Theresa May; seems Trump has been intimidating some poor old lady in Bognor who happens to be named Theresa May.

A simple mistake any senile world leader could make

I suppose the world's largest intelligence agencies could not do better
Which was pointed out several posts previously. Who's the senile one?
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Old 01.12.2017, 09:10
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At least we can agree on that. But if his platform was "I am going to effect change" then wouldn't you say that not having actually accomplished much other than ruffling some feathers via Twitter, and firing a bunch of his own appointees, quashing a trade deal that hadn't been fully negotiated (let alone signed)... Wouldn't you say that this lack of change would be one reason to characterize him as a bad president?
Isn't that what all prospective leaders do though? Run on a campaign of change? Do you not remember the thousands that turned out for Obama "YES WE CAN!" they all chanted. And what did he actually achieve? Very little based on what he set out to do. By your definition this would also characterise him as a "bad" president.

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I think you'll find Obama was trying to fix the mess Dubya left the country in! I agree that he continued to go along with the Drone bombing,but I think you live in la la land if you think that the POTUS has all the say in ongoing operations on national security. Obama did get American boots off the ground, and it was under his watch that Bin Laden was found. He reformed the Healthcare act and tried desperately to change gun laws. It's easy to sit around and say he did nothing but thats wrong he did a huge amount, and was at least presidential about it.
Didn't close Gitmo though, did he? And I don't think you understand how Executive Branch works with regard to national security operations. Trump is also trying "desperately" to build his wall. Won't count for anything if he doesn't build it though.
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Old 01.12.2017, 10:35
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Isn't that what all prospective leaders do though? Run on a campaign of change? Do you not remember the thousands that turned out for Obama "YES WE CAN!" they all chanted. And what did he actually achieve? Very little based on what he set out to do. By your definition this would also characterise him as a "bad" president.
If Obama did very little, then why is repealing Obamacare so desperately important?
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Obama was no better than Trump from a moral standpoint. In some ways he was worse. Trump is just more openly revolting.

If you have any Yemeni or Libyan friends, I'm sure they'll explain further.
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Obama was no better than Trump from a moral standpoint. In some ways he was worse. Trump is just more openly revolting.

If you have any Yemeni or Libyan friends, I'm sure they'll explain further.
I don't condone US involvement in any of these ongoing conflicts. The British are also highly complicit in those conflicts, I would say anyone who considers Saudi as an ally in the region is also complicit. I know for a fact that Obama was a better president then Trump. Its like comparing chalk and cheese. However the president in reality is actually fluff, more of a diplomatic representative in international policy, its the stuff going on behind the scenes, thats where the control is. There is a much more tangled web in these ongoing conflicts then just the involvement of the U.S. Ask any Muslim person in the M.E. about American involvement and its probably 99% going to be a negative response, America is hated there. That doesn't mean that they are all well informed. I can read a lot about all of the conflicts that America are involved in and non of it is good, but that doesnt make Trump better then Obama, nor better then Clinton, nor better then Bush. The media just chooses to focus on Presidential twitter rants and not U.S. foreign policy, which Trump doesn't actually understand either.
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Old 01.12.2017, 11:47
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Retweeting is now interfering in domestic affairs and inciting racial hatred. There is no hope for you, is there?
An official communication from the US President endorsing BF.

This is why May and the British Ambassador to the US so strongly reacted.

Meanwhile at the front, the tax reform bill is struggling for approval in the US Senate, it was expected to be signed on Thursday. Coincidentally opposition is led by the Senator who Trump described as "Sen. Corker is the incompetent head of the Foreign Relations Committee" amongst twelve other defamatory tweets.

And for Friday;
President Donald Trump, who often brought up the death of Kate Steinle during his campaign as an example of the consequences of illegal immigration now has a face slap. The illegal immigrant has been found not guilty of murder or manslaughter.
Trump is again hovering near the border of interference with Justice when he describes the verdict as disgraceful instead of applauding Justice in action.

Of course the death of Kate Steinle is a tragedy but typical of Trump to have jumped on this unproven case, to totally ignore the presumption of innocence and to have politicised this poor woman's death.

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Finally Trump promised Wednesday new major sanctions against N. Korea today; well "today" is long gone but no sanctions announced.
He spends too much time tweeting instead of doing his job; which is actually positive news
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Old 01.12.2017, 11:51
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He spends too much time tweeting instead of doing his job; which is actually positive news
Something we can all agree on, and be thankful for.
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Old 01.12.2017, 11:53
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....... The media just chooses to focus on Presidential twitter rants and not U.S. foreign policy, which Trump doesn't actually understand either.
The issue here is the Presidential twitter rants are, by definition, official communications of the US President so cannot be ignored.
I do not like this uncomfortable fact any more than you but there it is

I am not sure the media ignores U.S. foreign policy I would agree it is not top of their list but when did the US media ever report much about events outside of the US?
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Obama was no better than Trump from a moral standpoint. In some ways he was worse. Trump is just more openly revolting.

If you have any Yemeni or Libyan friends, I'm sure they'll explain further.
And Mrs May is currently in Saudi Arabia selling more arms ... On Question time last night, this wasdecried by all apart from the Tory representative who said she was protecting UK jobs in the arms industry- and the usual member of the audience who said if we don't do it, some else will, so it makes no difference....

Had given up on QT- as our TV, OH and my heart were put at risk by watching- but watched last night as Yanis Varoufakis was on (and Chuka Umunna). All condemned sales of arms to Saudis apart from the Tory rep (Sam Gyimah, Justice Secretary)). Bolton, the UKIP president, was actually the most forceful in his criticism.

And all condemned Trump for his re-Tweets of Britain First and his Islamophobia and total lack of discernment in what is appropriate to tweet or not. All agreed his State visit shoud be cancelled- apart from the journalist from the Torygraph (I think) - who said he should come so he can go back with our condemnation and disgust ringing in his ears.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCQuestion...4374299909620/

This is even more deeply worrying in the light of Brexit - if you can't or won't see the link and think I just have a Brexit bee in my winter bonnet - think again. With no effective Trade Links with the EU, and the rest of the world imposing low environmental, husbandry, safety, etc, etc, regs on us in exchange of Trade - we are getting in a position where we will not be able tp pick and choose our allies 'morally'- or criticize them or they warmongering, etc- as we will be ultra-dependent on them for our economic survival

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And Mrs May is currently in Saudi Arabia selling more arms ... On Question time last night, this wasdecried by all apart from the Tory representative who said she was protecting UK jobs in the arms industry- and the usual member of the audience who said if we don't do it, some else will, so it makes no difference....
And bring back capital punishment too, whilst we're at it. Think of the jobs created in the gallows industry, not to mention all the apprentice hangpeople that we can train up.
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'Normalising hatred' is indeed just what we do NOT want :

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If Obama did very little, then why is repealing Obamacare so desperately important?
Trump, like many many American's, doesn't like Obamacare. Obamacare was one of Obama's successes. If Trump repeals it and puts something else in place then will that make Trump a successful President?
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'Normalising hatred' is indeed just what we do NOT want :

https://www.facebook.com/BBCQuestion...4377546575962/
Trump tweets that the UK has a problem with Radial Islamic Terrorism. UK politicians respond saying that Trump should stop spreading hate and that the UK has a proud, open and tolerant society. Meanwhile there have been 4 terror attacks in 2017 alone and there are 23,000 jihadists living in the UK. And people wonder why Trump gets support.
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Trump, like many many American's, doesn't like Obamacare. Obamacare was one of Obama's successes. If Trump repeals it and puts something else in place then will that make Trump a successful President?
If it turns out to be a better deal for all the parties involved, then yes that would be a single success. If he were to chain a long string of such individual successes together, without making any major blunders, then that would make him a successful president.

But I don't see it happening.

He's turned the office of the president into a sort of reality TV show.
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Trump tweets that the UK has a problem with Radial Islamic Terrorism. UK politicians respond saying that Trump should stop spreading hate and that the UK has a proud, open and tolerant society. Meanwhile there have been 4 terror attacks in 2017 alone and there are 23,000 jihadists living in the UK. And people wonder why Trump gets support.
And there have been 397 mass shootings (4 or more injured/killed) in the US in 2017 with over 500 dead; maybe he should divert his attention and efforts a little closer to home.
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And there have been 397 mass shootings (4 or more injured/killed) in the US in 2017 with over 500 dead; maybe he should divert his attention and efforts a little closer to home.
That's not the point though is it? If it was the point, perhaps everyone in the UK should shut up about US gun regulations every time there is a mass shooting.
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Meanwhile there have been 4 terror attacks in 2017 alone and there are 23,000 jihadists living in the UK.
I would say that makes "jihadists" even less successful than Trump.
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Trump tweets that the UK has a problem with Radial Islamic Terrorism. UK politicians respond saying that Trump should stop spreading hate and that the UK has a proud, open and tolerant society. Meanwhile there have been 4 terror attacks in 2017 alone and there are 23,000 jihadists living in the UK. And people wonder why Trump gets support.
No jihadists living in the US of course and no terror attacks there.

If we're so "dangerous" I'm surprised he's brave enough to come on a State visit.

And you should ask Twitter why they haven't closed Trump's account down yet, Jayda Fransen's too. And isn't that a good old English name. Seems she's of Dutch/Jewish descent - but hey, that's okay because they're not Muslims.

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That's not the point though is it? If it was the point, perhaps everyone in the UK should shut up about US gun regulations every time there is a mass shooting.
The "point" is that he is highlighting perceived problems in the UK, whereas maybe he should be focusing on more pressing issues in his own backyard. I don't recall Theresa May making any statement on gun control issues after the recent Las Vegas and Texas shootings.
Even the videos he re-tweeted were either described completely incorrectly or were taken out of context.
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We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad.
Winner to receive the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!
A new poll from the conservative-leaning Rasmussen finds 40 percent of respondents think Fox News should get the Fake News Trophy, which was first suggested by President Trump earlier this week in a tweet.

The second place winner was CNN with 25 percent support.
MSNBC followed CNN with 9 percent, and ABC, CBS and NCB each received less than 5 percent support for the Fake News Trophy.

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Now we know why Trump wanted to exclude Fox from the Fake News Trophy competition!
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