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It's Friday. From the Toronto Star.

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Old 01.12.2017, 20:38
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The issue here is the Presidential twitter rants are, by definition, official communications of the US President so cannot be ignored.
I do not like this uncomfortable fact any more than you but there it is

I am not sure the media ignores U.S. foreign policy I would agree it is not top of their list but when did the US media ever report much about events outside of the US?
Maybe thats actually the plan, let Trumps idiocy distract the masses from whats really happening overseas.

Phos says he is winning, but all I see is a guy who is so immersed in his own reality that he doesn't see the nets closing in on him, and if anyone thinks the republicans endorse this pillock, well lets see if they aren't really waiting for him to fall on his own sword to enable a more favourable (but nastier) replacement, who will seem like a genius in comparison. I think most of the semiconscious American public are horrified and embarrassed by the POTUS.
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Old 01.12.2017, 21:09
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Dow Jones tanked 350 points today before recovering somewhat!!
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Old 01.12.2017, 21:12
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Maybe thats actually the plan, let Trumps idiocy distract the masses from whats really happening overseas..
There's no "maybe" about it.

Obama gave us the presidential mic drop and the presidential slow jam. Trump is giving us the presidential soap opera and the presidential twitter troll.

Same shit, different president. NATO jets are still buzzing the Russian border and brown people are still being blown up in the desert.

So it goes.
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Old 01.12.2017, 22:28
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Today's bad news! President Pence
Come back Trump and return to tweeting. 😀
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Old 01.12.2017, 22:30
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There's no "maybe" about it.

Obama gave us the presidential mic drop and the presidential slow jam. Trump is giving us the presidential soap opera and the presidential twitter troll.

Same shit, different president. NATO jets are still buzzing the Russian border and brown people are still being blown up in the desert.

So it goes.
And white people being blown up in urban environments.
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Old 01.12.2017, 22:36
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Today's bad news! President Pence
Come back Trump and return to tweeting. ��
Is Pence really that bad??
We are talking about a very very low bar here. Literally don't insult other races and respect women.
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Old 01.12.2017, 22:48
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Is Pence really that bad??
We are talking about a very very low bar here. Literally don't insult other races and respect women.
We hopefully soon find out?
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Old 01.12.2017, 22:52
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We hopefully soon find out?
I'm not so sure about the "hopefully" bit.

Pence may be more stately, but he appears to carry a strong element of "God Juju".
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Old 02.12.2017, 01:55
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Some US newspapers are claiming that Flynn's contacts with Russia were somehow driven by Trump's son in law Kushner; hard to believe.
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Old 02.12.2017, 09:57
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Is Pence really that bad??
We are talking about a very very low bar here. Literally don't insult other races and respect women.
Pence was deeply unpopular with even the reddest-of-the-red states Hoosiers. He was considered a failed governor, his draconian ideology pretty much tanked the Indiana public services sector and grew the opiod problem to epidemic proportions. He was about to be assigned to the dustbin of political history when Trump salvaged his career with the VP pick.

According to my Hoosier relatives - many of whom are still Trumpsters - Pence will be a disaster as president. He is an unwavering ideologue, convinced God is on his side. He is set to do even more damage than Trump as he is at least 'presentable', he doesn't have the crazy schtick that keeps a few of our congress critters doubting and willing to do their constitutional checks and balances duty.

Pence and a craven congress... heaven help us.
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Old 02.12.2017, 10:36
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Maybe thats actually the plan, let Trumps idiocy distract the masses from whats really happening overseas.

Phos says he is winning, but all I see is a guy who is so immersed in his own reality that he doesn't see the nets closing in on him, and if anyone thinks the republicans endorse this pillock, well lets see if they aren't really waiting for him to fall on his own sword to enable a more favourable (but nastier) replacement, who will seem like a genius in comparison. I think most of the semiconscious American public are horrified and embarrassed by the POTUS.
It is called Fake News, not because of its factual accuracy, but because of its lack of depth and substance. While the media focuses on temporary and inconsequential issues, we've had a major turnaround in the last year in the way the government operates, how it conduct its business, and the direction it is headed. His judicial appointments embeds Trump's impact for decades to come. Across many departments, there is restoration of the rule of law, which were corrupted under Obama's term.

Trump is somewhat an inverse of Obama's style. Obama was a smooth talker and presenter, but behind the scenes, rule of law was corrupted, chaos ensued, and there is a trail of disaster. This happened domestically and internationally. With Trump, on the other hand, the chaos is around the tweets, yet there is restoration and order behind the scenes.

After 4 years of this, upon measuring real world net results, if his opponents still can't get their minds wrapped around what is taking place in reality, there will be a good case to give him another term. At the moment, he is sweeping the Left under the rug, and they don't even seem to realize it. They would rather not admit it. It is hilarious on some level.
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Old 02.12.2017, 11:17
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There's no "maybe" about it.

Obama gave us the presidential mic drop and the presidential slow jam. Trump is giving us the presidential soap opera and the presidential twitter troll.

Same shit, different president. NATO jets are still buzzing the Russian border and brown people are still being blown up in the desert.

So it goes.
So it goes (Kurt Vonnegut?). Russia is also guilty of stoking tensions. A few years ago there were regular flyovers of NATO airspace by Russian nuclear bombers. Then there is that little matter of invading Crimea, and supporting Assad their no.1. arms customer, and ally in the M.E. Polonium poisoning and assassinations. I know you are not pro NATO DB, but I don't see how a separated Europe without NATO would offer any resistance to Russia's expanding influence in the world. And lets not forget that as much as we all hate Americas foreign policy and supposed democracy, Russia and China are hardly lesser evils especially in terms of freedom of speech and democracy.
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So it goes (Kurt Vonnegut?). Russia is also guilty of stoking tensions. A few years ago there were regular flyovers of NATO airspace by Russian nuclear bombers. Then there is that little matter of invading Crimea, and supporting Assad their no.1. arms customer, and ally in the M.E. Polonium poisoning and assassinations. I know you are not pro NATO DB, but I don't see how a separated Europe without NATO would offer any resistance to Russia's expanding influence in the world. And lets not forget that as much as we all hate Americas foreign policy and supposed democracy, Russia and China are hardly lesser evils especially in terms of freedom of speech and democracy.
Nah, und?

The world is an ugly place. Russia, the United States, China, the European Union and the United Kingdom are all run by utter f*ing bastards.

There are no good guys in this game. Not Trump, not Putin, not Obama, nobody.

But it's interesting that you conclude that someone who acknowledges NATO aggression must, logically, be pro-Russian.

The propaganda clearly works.
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Old 02.12.2017, 11:33
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Nah, und?

The world is an ugly place. Russia, the United States, China, the European Union and the United Kingdom are all run by utter f*ing bastards.

There are no good guys in this game. Not Trump, not Putin, not Obama, nobody.

But it's interesting that you conclude that someone who acknowledges NATO aggression must, logically, be pro-Russian.

The propaganda clearly works.
I don't think you are pro Russian DB, I know you are anti NATO. You did mention that NATO were buzzing Russian airspace. I was just pointing out its not one-sided. Russia on the other hand would love to see the break apart of the E.U. and a weakening of NATO. Hence the cause, if you believe it, of the claims of Russian meddling by government agencies from Europe to the U.S. and the denial of a certain president that he had any knowledge of that.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems to be clear that the ex-General Flynn has done a deal with the FBI to cooperate with their Russian collusion investigation.

The FBI would only be interested to do this if Flynn can deliver somebody higher in the Trump food chain; now who could that be? There are very few people who fall into the definition of "higher in the Trump food chain".
I suppose this definition would include Cabinet members and members of Trump's family including Donald himself?

Waiting for next steps
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Seems to be clear that the ex-General Flynn has done a deal with the FBI to cooperate with their Russian collusion investigation.

The FBI would only be interested to do this if Flynn can deliver somebody higher in the Trump food chain; now who could that be? There are very few people who fall into the definition of "higher in the Trump food chain".
I suppose this definition would include Cabinet members and members of Trump's family including Donald himself?

Waiting for next steps
This is a very depressing read, from Slate:

'Is it too late for Robert Mueller to save us?'

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...o_save_us.html

Quote from the article:

"But as the year has progressed, it’s become clear that absolutely nothing will persuade Trump supporters and Republicans in Congress that it’s time to disavow the president—not lying, not spilling state secrets, not abject failure in crisis management, and not openly performed corruption. Given that reality, it often feels like it wouldn’t be enough for Mueller to hand us a smoking gun and an indictment. What if they threw a conviction and nobody came?"
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump and the GOP jammed their tax law through the Senate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...blicans-274453

Some of the last changes were given to the Democrats only hours before the vote as handwritten scribbles in the margins of the 479 page bill. So much for the democratic process.

A disaster for the average American and 'Merica.

Example among many: No tax deduction for post-graduate students. That'll show them where being smart gets you. So a rapid fall in PhDs and post-docs. Great for innovation and science!

Bliss for the 1% and their buddies, e.g. their favorite college that got a specific tax exemption (late news: struck out at the last minute - amazing).
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Awww marton, Trump doing what he said he’d do and getting legislation through *so sad*
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