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Old 03.12.2017, 20:32
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I think it is naive to think presidents have any real powers when it comes to wars. The military industrial complex has got a grip on those decisions like Vinnie Jones on Paul Gascoigne.
I agree with you. Indeed, presidents are part and parcel of the whole military industrial complex. They're like the lipstick on the pig, as it were.

That's why I don't think Obama was any better than Trump or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or...

We're not talking about Sunday school teachers here. We're talking about the figureheads of the most powerful nation on the planet. Of course they're all complete shits. If they weren't, they wouldn't get the job.

But Obama did slow jams on the telly, so he's probably a lovely man...
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Old 03.12.2017, 20:41
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I agree with you. Indeed, presidents are part and parcel of the whole military industrial complex. They're like the lipstick on the pig, as it were.

That's why I don't think Obama was any better than Trump or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or...

We're not talking about Sunday school teachers here. We're talking about the figureheads of the most powerful nation on the planet. Of course they're all complete shits. If they weren't, they wouldn't get the job.

But Obama did slow jams on the telly, so he's probably a lovely man...
Well Obama introduced availability of a national healthcare which despite all the complaints seems to be cheaper than the mandatory Swiss system and gave hope to people with serious illnesses or pre-existing conditions.
Unlike other Presidents he did not seem using the Presidency to be filling his boots with dubiously acquired wealth or introducing tax reforms to save himself billions!
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Old 03.12.2017, 22:19
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Pretty much sums up the tweet outrage.

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Old 03.12.2017, 22:26
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Pretty much sums up the tweet outrage.

Do you really believe we will spend 8 minutes watching an unknown video clip when you cannot even be bothered to provide a written precis to entice us?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Straight from Breitbart ...Trump lackey... and Farage too- surprise

editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, and a former chief advisor to UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage
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We're not talking about Sunday school teachers here. We're talking about the figureheads of the most powerful nation on the planet. Of course they're all complete shits. If they weren't, they wouldn't get the job..
"All US presidents must be utter, complete lunatics....how self-deluded one must be to even think "I wanna be the United States president"?"
Jerry Seinfeld in "Jerry before Seinfeld"

I can understand why some people here believe they're more powerful and better at understanding things than they really are. (not only Phos guy)

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Old 04.12.2017, 13:28
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

How do you konow Trump sent it? It was probably his lawyer
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Pretty much sums up the tweet outrage.

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Old 04.12.2017, 13:29
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Do you really believe we will spend 8 minutes watching an unknown video clip when you cannot even be bothered to provide a written precis to entice us?
Then don't watch it.

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Straight from Breitbart ...Trump lackey... and Farage too- surprise

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Why don't you argue his points? Saying he's from Breitbart is no argument.
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Old 04.12.2017, 13:33
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How do you konow Trump sent it? It was probably his lawyer
Again, Trump's tweets are official presidential pronouncements. Trump, and only Trump, is solely responsible for each and every one of his pronouncements, through any and all media.

Ever noticed how Trump will always find somebody else (but never himself) to blame whenever anything goes wrong? Hillary... Obama... Flynn... The Fake Media... Manafort... his legal team... they're all responsible for his many cock-ups.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump has a big mouth and this will someday bring him down
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Old 04.12.2017, 13:52
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So you think these are all lies?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/03/po...eet/index.html

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Again, Trump's tweets are official presidential pronouncements. Trump, and only Trump, is solely responsible for each and every one of his pronouncements, through any and all media.

Ever noticed how Trump will always find somebody else (but never himself) to blame whenever anything goes wrong? Hillary... Obama... Flynn... The Fake Media... Manafort... his legal team... they're all responsible for his many cock-ups.
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Old 04.12.2017, 13:56
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

In the Virginia House of Delegates the GOP had a 32-seat majority heading into the Nov. 7 election. Today Republicans have a 51-49 advantage in the chamber.
Three Democrats and one Republican have filed for a recount so Republicans could lose advantage in the chamber.

Democrats claim this stunning result is due to Trump unpopularity!
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Old 04.12.2017, 13:59
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Section eight of the deal reached by Donald Trump’s former national security adviser in the inquiry into Russian meddling in the US election is entitled “cooperation”. It specifies that as well as answering questions and submitting to government-administered polygraph tests, Flynn’s cooperation “may include … participating in covert law enforcement activities”.

Long-time students of federal law enforcement practices agreed, speaking anonymously, that “covert law enforcement activities” likely refers to the possibility of wearing a concealed wire or recording telephone conversations with other potential suspects. It is not known whether Flynn has worn a wire at any time.

If the other subjects of investigation have had any conversations with Flynn during the last few months, that phrase must have all of them shaking in their boots,”

Source

Hmmm!
According to Politico, White House attorneys and private counsel have asked whether the current and former Trump aides they are representing have talked to any former colleagues and whether they think their communications could have been recorded.

“They’re probably shitting bricks,” said an attorney who represents a senior Trump aide caught up in the Russia investigation. “How can you not?”
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Old 04.12.2017, 14:18
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Who knows (although probably, yes; few lawyers would use the incorrect past tense and participle "pled"). But it's irrelevant. Trump is responsible for everything that goes out on his Twitter account, along with all other official channels. The buck stops with him.
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Old 04.12.2017, 14:43
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Give him time; he has only been out of office for a year! If he goes hard core on the speaker circuit and starts a Foundation... then look out!

WRT Obamacare, the jury is still out on who it helped and hurt. So much disinformation out there. Many of my friends/family were considerably worse off. Though I do applaud a first try on some kind of national healthcare system. I think the US needs something better than what we have had under every administration, GOP or Dem. The poor, pre existing conditions small business/sole traders all need to be dealt with in a better way. Trump has made a lot of promises, so his feet need to be held to the fire.
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Well Obama introduced availability of a national healthcare which despite all the complaints seems to be cheaper than the mandatory Swiss system and gave hope to people with serious illnesses or pre-existing conditions.
Unlike other Presidents he did not seem using the Presidency to be filling his boots with dubiously acquired wealth or introducing tax reforms to save himself billions!
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Give him time; he has only been out of office for a year! If he goes hard core on the speaker circuit and starts a Foundation... then look out!

WRT Obamacare, the jury is still out on who it helped and hurt. So much disinformation out there. Many of my friends/family were considerably worse off. Though I do applaud a first try on some kind of national healthcare system. I think the US needs something better than what we have had under every administration, GOP or Dem. The poor, pre existing conditions small business/sole traders all need to be dealt with in a better way. Trump has made a lot of promises, so his feet need to be held to the fire.
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The thing about Obamacare is it is about insurance coverage, but doesn't speak at all about quality of actual healthcare and costs. So it forces people into insurance coverage they don't want, yet the quality of healthcare is degraded, and drug prices remain high. The "care" part of it strikes me as empty. Whereas what we need is a revolution in the delivery and cost of actual medical care, and not about holding an insurance policy on paper.

I have a friend who died in a hospital last year waiting in line while they processed his Obamacare coverage.

"Obamacare" sounds great, but seems somewhat empty and under delivers in the real world. In many ways, its very much like how some people portray Obama. LOL.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump supports child molester because he's a republican!
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Trump supports child molester because he's a republican!
Your trolling is really getting pathetic. A long vacation awaits you. No more pointless crap, please. Thanks.
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Old 04.12.2017, 18:21
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The thing about Obamacare is it is about insurance coverage, but doesn't speak at all about quality of actual healthcare and costs. So it forces people into insurance coverage they don't want, yet the quality of healthcare is degraded, and drug prices remain high. The "care" part of it strikes me as empty. Whereas what we need is a revolution in the delivery and cost of actual medical care, and not about holding an insurance policy on paper.

I have a friend who died in a hospital last year waiting in line while they processed his Obamacare coverage.
So your friend didn't want health insurance -- but having been forced into taking it, then found himself in a life-threatened state in hospital. Fortunate for him that he could at least be admitted to hospital, I guess. So are you saying that healthcare delivery is tiered in the US: one standard of care for "full insurance payers", and a lower one for mere Obamacare policyholders? (And no care at all for those without insurance.) And that your friend received substandard (or no/very delayed) care because he was on Obamacare, resulting in his death? That's a pretty bold claim. His heirs must be in line for a huge payout when the lawsuit is completed.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

In his case, he already had health care coverage. He complained of severe stomache pains and was rushed to the hospital, told to wait in the waiting room. But he was apparently suffering from cardiac arrest, and died before he can be looked at. During this time, a lot of newly insured ACA customers flooded emergency rooms with non-emergency complaints. The reason being the healthcare system in his area did not have enough primary care services. I heard talk of getting a lawyer, but I never followed up, as no amount of settlement could replace him.

The point is there is a difference between medical insurance coverage and the medical treatment itself. An insurance policy doesn't guarantee good quality healthcare. The anecdotes I am hearing is that quality of medical services have drastically declined after Obamacare.
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