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The thing about Obamacare is it is about insurance coverage, but doesn't speak at all about quality of actual healthcare and costs. .......
Well the correct name is "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act", it is a bit sad to try to beat on Obama due to a slang name invented by Republicans.

I agree quality of actual healthcare and costs is a Govt. responsibility and the US have performed well here, life expectancy at birth has improved every year and death rates from the 5 main health related causes have declined every year despite an aging population!
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Well the correct name is "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act", it is a bit sad to try to beat on Obama due to a slang name invented by Republicans.

I agree quality of actual healthcare and costs is a Govt. responsibility and the US have performed well here, life expectancy at birth has improved every year and death rates from the 5 main health related causes have declined every year despite an aging population!
I don't believe it is a government responsibility, rather it is government impacted. We suffer from inefficiencies and exorbitant healthcare costs, especially of pharmaceuticals, some due to government involvement. Our government truly sucks and is incompetent with dealing with such complex things.

Forcing everybody into insurance policies with the current cost inefficiencies only forces the problem on everybody, with no maximum in sight. What they really should be doing is driving the cost of healthcare down through improvements and (de)regulations, to the point where the cost of insurance decreases significantly for everybody.
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Who knows (although probably, yes; few lawyers would use the incorrect past tense and participle "pled"). But it's irrelevant. Trump is responsible for everything that goes out on his Twitter account, along with all other official channels. The buck stops with him.
According to this article the ex-US Attorney General Sally Yates informed the White House in January that Flynn had not told the truth in his interview with the FBI. The implication is that this information came from the FBI.

It also claims White House counsel Donald McGahn told Trump that based on his conversation with then-acting Attorney General Sally Yates, he believed Flynn had not told the truth in his interview with the FBI or to Pence.

Consequently it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the FBI turned Flynn and had him wearing a wire long before Mueller was appointed and the White House people lawyered up!

Interesting huh?

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Federal prosecutors are opposing Paul Manafort's request to be released from house arrest on bail, citing his recent efforts to co-write an opinion piece about his work in Ukraine with a person believed to have ties to Russian intelligence — and publish the piece anonymously.

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So the people who said Mueller pursuing Manafort was nothing to do with collusion with Russia need to go and stand in the corner
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Oh no marton, two Trump victories in one week! YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!



Trump travel ban: Supreme Court lets restrictions take full effect
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Oh no marton, two Trump victories in one week! YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!



Trump travel ban: Supreme Court lets restrictions take full effect
Lol, at least try and read to the end of the first sentence of things you quote...

"The US Supreme Court has ruled President Donald Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go into full effect, pending legal challenges."
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Lol, at least try and read to the end of the first sentence of things you quote...

"The US Supreme Court has ruled President Donald Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go into full effect, pending legal challenges."
Whatever. Fake News MSM.

Victory for Trump as top court allows travel ban to take full effect
Donald Trump’s major travel ban victory in US Supreme Court
Victory for Trump: Supreme Court gives the go-ahead for President's controversial travel ban to be put in place IMMEDIATELY
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Honestly mate, stop digging. From the mail who you link to below (which is bad enough in itself to use as a source, but whatever, MSM)...

"The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, will be holding arguments on the legality of the ban this week."
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Right, so media report this as a victory for Trump, but StirB says it's not. So it's not. So stop digging. Lol.
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Old 05.12.2017, 09:18
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Right, so media report this as a victory for Trump, but StirB says it's not. So it's not. So stop digging. Lol.
Haha, now you're quoting the mainstream media as your saviour. You have to be a parody account.

Every media source you have quoted are very much calling it as a qualified success (i.e. pending legal challenge, which it has failed every time so far)...IF you read beyond the headline, which you have not on anything you've quoted so far.

Let's try and have a reasonable debate, not just froth at the mouth at headlines without reading anything in any kind of depth or applying any kind of critical analysis - this is how we got Trump and Brexit in the first place; reactionary idiocy to emotive buzzwords.
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Right, so media report this as a victory for Trump, but StirB says it's not. So it's not. So stop digging. Lol.
Even if it does get through eventually, it's still a spiteful, ill-considered, knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make the slightest bit of difference.
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Even if it does get through eventually, it's still a spiteful, ill-considered, knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make the slightest bit of difference.
Indeed. Just like the 16 countries that ban Israeli passport holders.
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Indeed. Just like the 16 countries that ban Israeli passport holders.
Pointless point is pointless.
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Pointless point is pointless.
Not like Loz to move the goalposts.
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Not like Loz to move the goalposts.
*after just having moved goalposts on what qualifies the media to report victory as victory*
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*after just having moved goalposts on what qualifies the media to report victory as victory*
Read past the headlines, please, just once, especially when you are quoting the source to back up your argument.

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Even if it does get through eventually, it's still a spiteful, ill-considered, knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make the slightest bit of difference.
It isn't legislation. It is an executive order. The fact the SC immediately lifted it indicates Trump's action was constitutional. They remain open to legal arguments challenging it.

It shows our courts now rule according to the constitution interpretation instead of activism, which is a welcome relief.
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Oh no marton, two Trump victories in one week year! YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!



Trump travel ban: Supreme Court lets restrictions take full effect
ftfy

I am already tired of winning

Edit; I hope this time they try to train the Border Control people before starting the ban; they are still blocking the official report about the shambles the first time around

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This Russia thing won't go away will it?
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"If he had kept his mouth shut, he wouldn't be there," he quipped.
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Now the GOP has pushed through their tax bill, do you think they'll simply just let Trump trip and fall on his sword?
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