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Wowza, no wonder he deleted that!
I was a bit surprised to read that myself. Perhaps Phos is out of coffee.
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Old 06.12.2017, 16:45
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I was a bit surprised to read that myself. Perhaps Phos is out of coffee.
Naw, I realized he was talking about some far outlier of some guy who forgot his ID. Law enforcement do not normally arrest people with no cause, and I don't think hundreds of thousands of innocent people wander near the border forgetting their ID.
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Old 06.12.2017, 16:50
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Law enforcement do not normally arrest people with no cause.
No, they normally just shoot them.
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Old 06.12.2017, 16:55
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Although border arrests do not seem to match deportation numbers. So where are they taking them? <cue Morton with a scary conspiracy theory>
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed approximately 226,000 people from the country in the 2017 fiscal year, which ended on Sept. 30, down 6 percent from the previous year.
The 2017 deportations were lower than at any time during the Obama administration, according to previous DHS statistics.
At that rate it will take 50 years to deport the existing 12 million, even longer if more arrive!

No need for a scary conspiracy theory, quite simply it is a process failure; they arrest more people than the system can handle. The more they arrest then the worse it gets

Currently there are 650 thousand people waiting for their immigrant cases to be heard in court. On average across the US they have to wait 691 days for their day in court, in Colorado and Illinois over 1,000 days.

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The US is running out of places to keep them. It is reported that in Texas ICE takes people to jails who promptly turn them loose due to lack of space, but the arrest statistics continue to look good!

Trump wants to stop San Francisco as a sanctuary city but the wait for court is already over 1,000 days, imagine the effect of arresting more!
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Old 06.12.2017, 17:02
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

ICE appears to be handling this relatively well. They are focused on those with criminal records. Some of the illegal aliens are good people who perform important functions. They were enticed there with everybody's consent. I would hate to hear of any good people rounded up and sent away, but I'm sure there are some outliers with these kinds of numbers. For those who are up to no good, it is right to send them away.

To fix this, they need well defined processes and criterion, along with a reliable wall, which they need to figure out how to get Mexico to pay for. This will take some time to fix, as it is the result of decades of neglect. In the meantime, it sounds to me like they are doing the right thing finally.
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Old 06.12.2017, 17:10
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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed approximately 226,000 people from the country in the 2017 fiscal year, which ended on Sept. 30, down 6 percent from the previous year.
The 2017 deportations were lower than at any time during the Obama administration, according to previous DHS statistics.
ICE often takes custody of people at the border before deporting them; the sharp drop in Border Patrol arrests means fewer people to remove.

ICE said "interior removals" — people deported after being arrested away from the border — jumped 25 percent to 81,603. And they were up 37 percent after Trump's inauguration compared to the same period a year earlier.


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ICE appears to be handling this relatively well. They are focused on those with criminal records. Some of the illegal aliens are good people who perform important functions. They were enticed there with everybody's consent. I would hate to hear of any good people rounded up and sent away, but I'm sure there are some outliers with these kinds of numbers. For those who are up to no good, it is right to send them away.

To fix this, they need well defined processes and criterion, along with a reliable wall, which they need to figure out how to get Mexico to pay for. This will take some time to fix, as it is the result of decades of neglect. In the meantime, it sounds to me like they are doing the right thing finally.
Depends how you define "relatively well".

Arresting ever more people who sit in jail at the taxpayers expense for a minimum of two years seems to be an expensive exercise with little return on investment.
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Old 06.12.2017, 17:21
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Depends how you define "relatively well".

Arresting ever more people who sit in jail at the taxpayers expense for a minimum of two years seems to be an expensive exercise with little return on investment.
The return we are already seeing is the arrest of criminals and a drop in border crossings. Doing nothing at all is an unacceptable alternative and inhumane for good people involved.
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Old 06.12.2017, 17:47
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Naw, I realized he was talking about some far outlier of some guy who forgot his ID. Law enforcement do not normally arrest people with no cause, and I don't think hundreds of thousands of innocent people wander near the border forgetting their ID.
You should ask Sheriff Joe Arpaio; he was the expert on racial profiling and arresting innocent people.
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Old 06.12.2017, 19:58
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A new Quinnipiac University poll finds 70 percent of respondents think Congress should investigate the sexual harassment allegations against Trump.

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From the same poll "Almost half of American women, 47 percent, say they've been sexually assaulted,"

"It is hypocritical for President Trump to criticize men accused of sexual harassment, 73 percent of Americans say, while 16 percent say he has a right to criticize these men. "
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Old 06.12.2017, 22:39
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ICE appears to be handling this relatively well. They are focused on those with criminal records. Some of the illegal aliens are good people who perform important functions. They were enticed there with everybody's consent. I would hate to hear of any good people rounded up and sent away, but I'm sure there are some outliers with these kinds of numbers. For those who are up to no good, it is right to send them away.

To fix this, they need well defined processes and criterion, along with a reliable wall, which they need to figure out how to get Mexico to pay for. This will take some time to fix, as it is the result of decades of neglect. In the meantime, it sounds to me like they are doing the right thing finally.
ICE is not focused on those with criminal records, that was the Obama policy.

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Homan (DHS head) praised Trump for removing that restriction through an executive order on Jan. 25, spurring the increase in administrative arrests.

"There’s no population off the table," said Homan. "If you’re in this country illegally, we’re looking for you and we’re going to apprehend you."
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Old 07.12.2017, 01:19
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I really did not understand what drove Trump to make this decision about Jerusalem.
Seems it is a big deal for the US Evangelical community

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Why evangelicals are 'ecstatic' about Trump's Jerusalem move!

Paula White, a Florida megachurch pastor who is close to Trump, said the President has fulfilled a campaign promise.

"Once again, President Trump has shown the world what I have always known — he is a leader who is willing to do what is right however loud the voices are of the skeptics and the critics.
Evangelicals are ecstatic, for Israel is to us a sacred place and the Jewish people are our dearest friends."
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Looks like religion will be the cause of deaths again due to this provocative decision

Kushner's ME peace mission will be down the toilet
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Old 07.12.2017, 01:37
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I really did not understand what drove Trump to make this decision about Jerusalem.
Seems it is a big deal for the US Evangelical community



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Kushner's ME peace mission will be down the toilet
I keep wondering why he announced this less than 3 weeks before Christmas of all times?

And what message does he want to give his son in law?

Not to mention that I'm absolutely sure that it will not happen anyway yet ruin a lot in the process to going nowhere.

The trouble with hot air is that Trumps hot air is blistering.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It was a rebuke of over 50 years of bullshit from an "expert" class of "peace brokers" who have never been able to deliver one iota of result. Its about draining the International Middle East Peace Process swamp. They go around talking and getting paid, while generations of Palestinians are lost to cycles of violence and extremism. Time to say "Enough"!

What is it called when repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

This is an opportunity to break out of that cycle if they would only break free from the grips of those who run and profit from this process. They need to drain their swamp.

Macron and Gabriel look like fools trying to admonish Trump. They show no evidence of talent for solving problems.
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It was a rebuke of over 50 years of bullshit from an "expert" class of "peace brokers" who have never been able to deliver one iota of result. Its about draining the International Middle East Peace Process swamp. They go around talking and getting paid, while generations of Palestinians are lost to cycles of violence and extremism. Time to say "Enough"!
How appropriate you chose 50 years. 50 Years ago we had the 6 day war and shortly after the Yom Kippur war.

I'd say that the expert class of peace brokers have done pretty well at avoiding a repeat of all out war between Israel and its neighbours in that time, despite the appetite for it on both sides.
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I keep wondering why he announced this less than 3 weeks before Christmas of all times?

And what message does he want to give his son in law?

Not to mention that I'm absolutely sure that it will not happen anyway yet ruin a lot in the process to going nowhere.

The trouble with hot air is that Trumps hot air is blistering.
Politically Trump and his inner circle are all amateurs. Probably that contributed to him being voted in as President but it is a very poor qualification to actually do the Presidential job.

A very dumb decision.
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A very dumb decision.
I disagree.

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I disagree.

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Fair enough, so what in your view are the positive points of this decision?
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Fair enough, so what in your view are the positive points of this decision?
It's long overdue.

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It's long overdue.

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I am genuinely curious to know why the US is the only major country to believe this was a good idea?

I already posted the Evangelicals wanted this although every other branch of the Christian religion opposed the decision which in itself is curious?

Jerusalem is a holy city for the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and the Muslims believe Muhammad met Abraham, Moses, and Jesus there.
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