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Let's have a look what a pre-President Obama thought about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel

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It was a rebuke of over 50 years of bullshit from an "expert" class of "peace brokers" who have never been able to deliver one iota of result. Its about draining the International Middle East Peace Process swamp. They go around talking and getting paid, while generations of Palestinians are lost to cycles of violence and extremism. Time to say "Enough"!

What is it called when repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

This is an opportunity to break out of that cycle if they would only break free from the grips of those who run and profit from this process. They need to drain their swamp.

Macron and Gabriel look like fools trying to admonish Trump. They show no evidence of talent for solving problems.
It is naive to believe that Trump's decision will cause any country to fire their "peace brokers", certainly Kushner and Greenblatt will continue unchanged financially.
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Jerusalem is a holy city for the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and the Muslims believe Muhammad met Abraham, Moses, and Jesus there.
Have you ever been to Jerusalem?
Do you believe the new embassy will be built within the walls of the old city?
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It was a rebuke of over 50 years of bullshit from an "expert" class of "peace brokers" who have never been able to deliver one iota of result.
Lol. "peace brokers" and "expert" have a time horizon which stretches a few years maybe some decades into the future. Whereas Israel national conservative parties have a horizon which is simply infinity and there stance is do not change or move a micro iota from there position or give up a single grain of sand of Israel they once acquired, never ever. They are conservative in the true sense of the word.
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Have you ever been to Jerusalem?
Do you believe the new embassy will be built within the walls of the old city?
I believe it will be built on the Allenby Barracks site which the US Govt has been leasing for this purpose since 1989. There are claims that this land is confiscated Palestinian refugee property.
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It's long overdue.

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What, Armageddon? The annihilation of the Jews in the ME? Those are two of the only scenarios I can think of from this announcement.

There was a finely maintained religious balance in Jerusalem that depended on each faction believing that no other had sole claim upon their mecca. That has now been taken away from the equation.

Only carnage will result from this, and to think anything otherwise is highly naive or ignorant. I think it will result in The Israelis subjugating the surrounding areas through increasingly draconian measures and/or violence, but bombing and random attacks from extremists will rise to previously unseen levels as a result.

If there is going to be any armed conflict in the Middle East between
major powers then I hope Israel and their allies just get it over and done with now before Iran really develop their nuclear arsenal enough to ensure mutual destruction. Wiping out Iran as a military force and leaving a more modernist and increasingly western Saudi Arabia (pressured into to good behaviour by Western investment etc) would be my preferred outcome.

There is going to be a big showdown at some point, may as well be now rather than later before technological advances make the effects even worse.
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Old 07.12.2017, 09:34
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Let's have a look what a pre-President Obama thought about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel

Like Trump you use Obama to justify difficult decisions instead of creating your own reasons
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more modernist and increasingly western Saudi Arabia
Oxymoron much?
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Old 07.12.2017, 09:42
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Let's have a look what a pre-President Obama thought about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel
Democratic leader Chuck Schumer was even more extreme than Trump. He was urging Trump to declare Jerusalem "undivided" capital. Whereas Trump just stated it is up to Israelis and Palestinians to decide that. The position is on the Democratic party platform statements. The Democrats then turn and attack Trump for extremism an hour after his speech.

Yet another example why leftists cannot be believed and trusted.
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What, Armageddon? The annihilation of the Jews in the ME? Those are two of the only scenarios I can think of from this announcement.

There was a finely maintained religious balance in Jerusalem that depended on each faction believing that no other had sole claim upon their mecca. That has now been taken away from the equation.

Only carnage will result from this, and to think anything otherwise is highly naive or ignorant. I think it will result in The Israelis subjugating the surrounding areas through increasingly draconian measures and/or violence, but bombing and random attacks from extremists will rise to previously unseen levels as a result.

If there is going to be any armed conflict in the Middle East between
major powers then I hope Israel and their allies just get it over and done with now before Iran really develop their nuclear arsenal enough to ensure mutual destruction. Wiping out Iran as a military force and leaving a more modernist and increasingly western Saudi Arabia (pressured into to good behaviour by Western investment etc) would be my preferred outcome.

There is going to be a big showdown at some point, may as well be now rather than later before technological advances make the effects even worse.
Like World War 1 generals, Trump will be living a long way away from any mayhem caused by his decisions
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I believe it will be built on the Allenby Barracks site which the US Govt has been leasing for this purpose since 1989. There are claims that this land is confiscated Palestinian refugee property.
31°45'37.0"N 35°13'29.2"E ?
31°45'23.9"N 35°13'25.2"E

Map 2 at http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/40840

But why built something new when very close by there is already the consulate on open field https://goo.gl/maps/t7F3wnaq8U42
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Oxymoron much?
You don't think the west is more modernised than Saudi? Interesting stance.
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You don't think the west is more modernised than Saudi? Interesting stance.
I don't think that Saudi Arabia is modernist nor increasingly western.
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I don't think that Saudi Arabia is modernist nor increasingly western.
Out of context much? I believe StirB is referring to his preferred hypothetical outcome of a ME conflict, not the current status quo.
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Kushner's ME peace mission will be down the toilet
The "ME peace process" is a farce. You can't have a jew, let alone an orthodox one, lead it. You just can't.
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The "ME peace process" is a farce. You can't have a jew, let alone an orthodox one, lead it. You just can't.
From observations, Palestinian leadership certainly responds to money, which has no ethnicity nor religion.
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Trump’s strategy is one of divisiveness and distraction. In this he’s achieving his goals.
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The "ME peace process" is a farce. You can't have a jew, let alone an orthodox one, lead it. You just can't.
Two actually! Kushner's top aide Jason Greenblatt is also orthodox.
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They were very close to a deal with Arafat, but broke down at the very end with Jerusalem. He was offered the Temple Mount, but he declined.

Jerusalem was thought to be the final issue of any negotiation, to be dealt with at the very end. This is the premise of ongoing peace process. What Trump has effectively done is deal with it at the front end. Now if they want to go back to the table, they have a much better chance of closing a deal.

Trump stroked a Gordian Knot move. This tactic is described in "The Art of the Deal".
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I don't think that Saudi Arabia is modernist nor increasingly western.
Do you not read the news? It's been all over it of late https://www.google.ch/search?q=saudi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

The Saudi Prince wants to increase Western investment and make Saudi a compatible and relevant Islamic force in the modern Western world, so he is aiming to make those changes and indeed seems to be actively doing so.
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