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A country chooses its own capitol, it doesn't go through an international vote.

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Even when the the capital will be located outside the internationally recognised boundaries of their own country

Maybe Russia should move their capital to the Crimea? The weather is much better
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

But Trump did not recognize Jerusalem as Israeli.
He said nothing of the kind.
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"They can move their capital anywhere." Usually countries do not move their capital outside of the internationally recognised boundaries of their own country.

Trump has not buried the two-state "solution" because he does not own the solution so he cannot change it.
Anyway the UN have rejected Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli.
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"They can move their capital anywhere." Usually countries do not move their capital outside of the internationally recognised boundaries of their own country.

Yes, but why do heads of state keep visiting it then, if it's quasi-occupied territory?

That's (to me) like Merkel visiting Crimea and walking around the city with Putin, visiting the harbor while eating an ice-cream. Holding talks. Whatever.

German and English wikipedia point out Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

While Berlin was divided, heads of state didn't really fly to Berlin very often. Germany was actually not allowed to conduct any official federal (political) business there.

Israel is not going to give any of the contested land back. Not an inch (or square inch). Not in Jerusalem, not on the West Bank and not on the Gaza Strip. Nowhere.

And the West is totally fine with it. Well, maybe not fine, but indifferent enough that it can (and is) interpreted by Israel as a "Carry on, bro, but keep it low for a while, will you?".
That is the reality. And Trump has acknowledged that (of course, it will also pretty much give him most of the Jewish votes come next election, which would be silly to believe to be a coincidence)
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The Jewish in the USA have their fingers everywhere
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Yes, but why do heads of state keep visiting it then, if it's quasi-occupied territory?

That's (to me) like Merkel visiting Crimea and walking around the city with Putin, visiting the harbor while eating an ice-cream. Holding talks. Whatever.

German and English wikipedia point out Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

While Berlin was divided, heads of state didn't really fly to Berlin very often. Germany was actually not allowed to conduct any official federal (political) business there.

Israel is not going to give any of the contested land back. Not an inch (or square inch). Not in Jerusalem, not on the West Bank and not on the Gaza Strip. Nowhere.

And the West is totally fine with it. Well, maybe not fine, but indifferent enough that it can (and is) interpreted by Israel as a "Carry on, bro, but keep it low for a while, will you?".
That is the reality. And Trump has acknowledged that (of course, it will also pretty much give him most of the Jewish votes come next election, which would be silly to believe to be a coincidence)
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Old 10.12.2017, 19:40
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There aren't that many Jewish voters in the US. There are about 7 million, and account for less than 2% of the voters. They typically vote Liberal. 71% voted for Hillary.
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Seriously? Because there are Jews in America. And latkes are good.
Especially those made with zucchini and potatoes and served with sour cream.


Right. But re. Jerusalem, I guess Trump poured some more fuel on the fire..
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Women who have publicly accused President Trump of sexual misconduct will call for Congress to investigate the allegations at a press conference on Monday.

Some of the sixteen women who have accused Trump will unite for the first time to demand the probe and share details of their allegations against Trump.

Three lawmakers resigned or announced their resignation during the past week over sexual misconduct claims.

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well, well. Imagine that. Lobbyists are successful in asking Trump for reducing Bear Ears for uranium mining purposes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8101126.html

And here's Trump explaining the dangers of uranium:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnKtzQpCSs
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But Trump did not recognize Jerusalem as Israeli.
He said nothing of the kind.
That has limited significance. Read the actual law that's now effective, the "Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995".

The act distinguishes between the divided city (1948-1967) and the reunited one (since 1967), demanding/stating that
i) it's Israel's right to declare Jerusalem its capital
ii) Jerusalem is to be recognised as Israel's capital
iii) Jerusalem is to remain united

Now, it's clear that a capital must be part of the respective country's sovereign area. From this follows that a) Jerusalem in its entirety has just been recognised as part of Israel itself, and b) Jerusalem will not, in part or whole, be part of a future country Palestine, simply because Israel won't ever agree to such a thing happening. Especially now that it's been recognised by the US.
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The Jewish in the USA have their fingers everywhere
And that is a typical Antisemtic view.
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Old 11.12.2017, 11:31
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That has limited significance. Read the actual law that's now effective, the "Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995".

The act distinguishes between the divided city (1948-1967) and the reunited one (since 1967), demanding/stating that
i) it's Israel's right to declare Jerusalem its capital
ii) Jerusalem is to be recognised as Israel's capital
iii) Jerusalem is to remain united

Now, it's clear that a capital must be part of the respective country's sovereign area. From this follows that a) Jerusalem in its entirety has just been recognised as part of Israel itself, and b) Jerusalem will not, in part or whole, be part of a future country Palestine, simply because Israel won't ever agree to such a thing happening. Especially now that it's been recognised by the US.
I don't think that because the US has now decided to accept Jeroozalem as the capital of Israel that Israel did not already consider it to be the capital. The international community has been on the sidelines with this for a long time because it is so contentious. Either way Israel would never concede Jeroozalem to Palestine, regardless of what the US says.
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Old 11.12.2017, 11:32
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Yes, seriously!

How many religions are represented by the US residents? A religious feast for each at the White House? If not, why not?

But my surprise was more about the mixture of religion and politics here.

Yet, I googled, and indeed it does seem to cover more than just two religions.

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Muslim not with Trump though, surprise, surprise

The Muslims and the press are in the same Trump pot then

Okay, fair enough .... mixture of politics and religion is normal in the US. Sorry for wondering
In view of the separation of state and religion, I don't think there should be any official govt-sanctioned religious festivities in the White House or any other government building.

But the White House is also the residence of the person of the president and his family. Nobody can prevent the president from holding a personal or family celebration in his own residence and inviting whom he sees fit. It should just be handled as a private and not a state occasion.

It would be hypocritical for a president who has no muslim connections to host a private celebration of a Muslim holiday. Jewish is understandable as his daughter married a Jewish guy.
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Old 11.12.2017, 11:40
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I don't think that because the US has now decided to accept Jeroozalem as the capital of Israel that Israel did not already consider it to be the capital. The international community has been on the sidelines with this for a long time because it is so contentious. Either way Israel would never concede Jeroozalem to Palestine, regardless of what the US says.
The UN plan from back long ago actually says that both Israel and the Palestinians should have Jersualem as their capital, but that Jerusalem should be a divided city. This could be interpreted to mean they want to see a wall running down the middle of the city, a bit like Berlin - or maybe something that is more open than that on regular days but can be shut down quickly if the situation demands it. In other words, a wall with well defined openings. Furthermore, some of the Jewish holy sites are actually in what should according to the UN be the Palestinian sector.

In other words, what the UN wants is unworkable. If the Palestians want to stick with the divided city scenario, they should at least concede that that border needs some adusting. I expect the more switched on ones fully understand this but can't bring themselves to admit it.
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And that is a typical Antisemtic view.
Why is the truth antisemitic? It's been the case for centuries that the Jews have their fingers in a lot of things everywhere. It's a fact, that doesn't make it antisemitic. The Rothschild family are bankers - is that an antisemitic statement? No, just fact.

All too often Jews - and others - cry "antisemitic" when it isn't.

And for your info:

"A DNA study of Jews and Palestinian Arabs (including Bedouins) found that these were more closely related to each other than to people of the Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopian Semitic-speaking people (Amharas, Tigrayans, Harari and Tigre people), and the North African Arabs.[12][13]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

And if you want to judge who should have what by length of occupation the sorry, but the Muslims win over Jews hands down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#History

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Why is the truth antisemtic? It's been the case for centuries that the Jews have their fingers in a lot of things everywhere. It's a fact, that doesn't make it antisemtic. The Rothschild family are bankers - is that an antisemtic statement? No, just fact.

All too often Jews - and others - cry "antisemtic" when it isn't.
Paranoia and vilification of Jews is anti-semitic. To imply that because a set of Jews had involvement in a particular matter, therefore all Jews are involved in it is antisemitic, and also idiotic.
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Why is the truth antisemtic? It's been the case for centuries that the Jews have their fingers in a lot of things everywhere. It's a fact, that doesn't make it antisemtic. The Rothschild family are bankers - is that an antisemtic statement? No, just fact.

All too often Jews - and others - cry "antisemtic" when it isn't.
I think antisemistism starts when people say or think "The Jews did this " when in fact somebody did something and that person may also have been Jewish but his or her Jewishness is neither the explanation nor the cause.

Try replacing the word Jew with Muslim and testing whether you still think the sentence is acceptable.

The Muslims did 9/11, the Muslims groomed young girls in Rotherham. See how wrong and inflammatory these statments are?

Why then is it Ok to say the Jews control the banks? The Jews are very powerful?
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Paranoia and vilification of Jews is anti-semitic. To imply that because a set of Jews had involvement in a particular matter, therefore all Jews are involved in it is antisemitic, and also idiotic.
Paranoia and vilification of Jews is just paranoia and vilification same as for anyone else and doesn't need a special word for it. But we seem to like labels so we end up with anti-semitic, Islamophobic, Nazis, etc.
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Paranoia and vilification of Jews is anti-semitic. To imply that because a set of Jews had involvement in a particular matter, therefore all Jews are involved in it is antisemitic, and also idiotic.
I know the gravity of a statement when I find myself completely in agreement with Phos on the matter.
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I think antisemistism starts when people say or think "The Jews did this " when in fact somebody did something and that person may also have been Jewish but his or her Jewishness is neither the explanation nor the cause.

Try replacing the word Jew with Muslim and testing whether you still think the sentence is acceptable.

The Muslims did 9/11, the Muslims groomed young girls in Rotherham. See how wrong and inflammatory these statments are?

Why then is it Ok to say the Jews control the banks? The Jews are very powerful?

"The Jews"? As in all of them?
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Why is the truth antisemitic? It's been the case for centuries that the Jews have their fingers in a lot of things everywhere. It's a fact, that doesn't make it antisemitic. The Rothschild family are bankers - is that an antisemitic statement? No, just fact.

All too often Jews - and others - cry "antisemitic" when it isn't.

And for your info:

"A DNA study of Jews and Palestinian Arabs (including Bedouins) found that these were more closely related to each other than to people of the Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopian Semitic-speaking people (Amharas, Tigrayans, Harari and Tigre people), and the North African Arabs.[12][13]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

And if you want to judge who should have what by length of occupation the sorry, but the Muslims win over Jews hands down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#History
Wow those are pretty Antisemetic sentiments regardless. The ole the Rothschild banking excuse, damn haven't heard that in sometime. All the other rich people in power from Christian and Muslim backgrounds? Sorry your statement is absolutely ridiculous!

Firstly your assertion that it is some sort of competition to a right to reside on the land that is now Israel. Historically Jews were in the Middle East before Islam, is kindof a fact. Jews were persecuted out of pretty much every Arab/Muslim country. Have a look at how many Jews live in Egypt or Lebanon for example. 20% of Israels population is Arabic or of Arabic decent and are represented in government. You wouldn't find that in any Muslim country.

Secondly you've regurgitated the spew of Alt-Right and Neo-Nazi antisemitic Zionist conspiracy propaganda. Me's thinks that the Internet is not too good for your brain. I had higher hopes for a Forum Legend of your stature.

Here are a few debunking sites (obviously in servitude to the Zionists and the Rothschilds)

Deconstructing the Rothschild Conspiracy

The Rothschild Libel

Rothschild Family Wealth

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