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I dunno. Things are relatively calm and doing well in the US.
For me and mine.
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Old 20.12.2017, 12:26
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I dunno. Things are relatively calm and doing well in the US. There is mass psychological hysteria around Trump pumped out by leftist media, but that is more like slapstick comedy than anything disastrous. It only really affects the overly sensitive. And well, Trump keeps winning anyway.

The tax reform bill is a clear signal we are not headed towards some socialistic welfare state. It effectively defunds many social engineering projects downstream. Even if the democrats sweep in 2018, they won't be able to put it back.

It is an indication we will continue to see peaks of excellence, extraordinary accomplishments and diamonds in the rough. In other words, America being America, fnck yeah.
As you write, the tax reform will need to be funded downstream by reducing social programs.

If the Democrats do get a Senate majority in 2018 then they may not be interested in such defunding so will simply sit back and blame GOP for any deficit increases.
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Old 20.12.2017, 12:34
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As you write, the tax reform will need to be funded downstream by reducing social programs.

If the Democrats do get a Senate majority in 2018 then they may not be interested in such defunding so will simply sit back and blame GOP for any deficit increases.
It's easy to defund stuff from a 20,00 feet in the air perspective. But when you're in the salt mine it's much more tricky because there are so many interdependencies, and often when one department defunds something it doesn't actually go away but becomes another department's responsibility. So individual departments may look good with their slashed budgets but overall the savings are less than that. Much the same as when you're restructuring a company. Cost saving goals are rarely actually met, and if they are met they often bounce back because expenditure is postponed rather than stopped, or just booked onto somebody else's budget.

If you want to get spending under control, a shock and panic therapy is not the way. You need to take a long term approach. You need to change your overall way of thinking and get people into those jobs who have that thinking. Shock therapies and sudden funding cuts often simply incentivize people to try and save their little kingdoms.
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As you write, the tax reform will need to be funded downstream by reducing social programs.

If the Democrats do get a Senate majority in 2018 then they may not be interested in such defunding so will simply sit back and blame GOP for any deficit increases.
Those are meaningless inverse statements of reality. The tax reform is not something that needs to be funded as taxes are the funding mechanism in itself. Furthermore, Democrats have never really been known to concern themselves with deficit increases, as it is mainly conservatives who decry deficit increases. Democrats do not, nor rarely have had an economic plan of their own. The money released into he economy is just as well taxed as it moves around. The tax reform is not a spending bill where the money simply disappears into nothingness. It is inevitably booked and taxed again.
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There is mass psychological hysteria around Trump pumped out by leftist media, but that is more like slapstick comedy than anything disastrous. It only really affects the overly sensitive. And well, Trump keeps winning anyway.
Trump's presidency is the ultimate underdog story.

No matter what they throw at him or how much they stack the odds against him he still comes out swinging - and winning!
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Trump's presidency is the ultimate underdog story.
Lol, this is the only funny element in the whole story...when you watch it from a distance, of course. Probably I wouldn't be so amused if I was American.
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Trump's presidency is the ultimate underdog story.

No matter what they throw at him or how much they stack the odds against him he still comes out swinging - and winning!
It really proves the American dream. Anyone can come from anywhere and become president, regardless of colour, creed, religion or ability.
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Trump's presidency is the ultimate underdog story.

No matter what they throw at him or how much they stack the odds against him he still comes out swinging - and winning!

They are unknowingly heroizing Trump. LOL
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it really proves the american dream. Anyone can come from anywhere and become president, regardless of ability, as long as their white, rich and have the gift of the gab.
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Trump's presidency is the ultimate underdog story.
Wow! The US has billionaire underdogs?
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Is the 'anyone can come from anywhere and become president' bit a reference to Obama?
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Wow! The US has billionaire underdogs?
Meritocracy at its fullness.
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Furthermore, Democrats have never really been known to concern themselves with deficit increases,
Ironic then that the only presidents to actually reduce their inherited deficit in recent times have been democrats.

2009 counts for Bush II btw.
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Those are meaningless inverse statements of reality. The tax reform is not something that needs to be funded as taxes are the funding mechanism in itself. Furthermore, Democrats have never really been known to concern themselves with deficit increases, as it is mainly conservatives who decry deficit increases. Democrats do not, nor rarely have had an economic plan of their own. The money released into he economy is just as well taxed as it moves around. The tax reform is not a spending bill where the money simply disappears into nothingness. It is inevitably booked and taxed again.
Of course, the GOP hope is that the tax cuts will empower companies to create growth and new jobs.

But with US unemployment at a 17 year low associated with Trump's drive to both reduce immigration and to increase deportations of illegal immigrants then it is not obvious that there is a pool of labour suitable to fill such new jobs which will be crucial to drive growth.
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Is the 'anyone can come from anywhere and become president' bit a reference to Obama?
Are you raising the Birther issue again?
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Old 20.12.2017, 15:14
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Of course, the GOP hope is that the tax cuts will empower companies to create growth and new jobs.
Has that ever actually happened?

I'm actually in favour of tax breaks for companies to encourage growth into a new region, but I'm yet to see evidence of tax breaks encouraging better conditions and rewards for existing employees. All I see is senior management wages and bonuses increasing almost exponentially, with little consideration for the workforce.
I'm open to be corrected however.
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"The US says it "will be taking names" during a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution criticising its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

Permanent representative Nikki Haley warned member states that President Donald Trump had asked her to report on "who voted against us" on Thursday."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42424666

Pompous a*****e.

No need to take notes. It'll be everyone voting in favour of the motion except the US and Israel.
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"The US says it "will be taking names" during a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution criticising its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
And they'll be telling their parents how mean they've been?
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Has that ever actually happened?

I'm actually in favour of tax breaks for companies to encourage growth into a new region, but I'm yet to see evidence of tax breaks encouraging better conditions and rewards for existing employees. All I see is senior management wages and bonuses increasing almost exponentially, with little consideration for the workforce.
I'm open to be corrected however.
Let's take a look at Zug, Schwyz and Nidwalden. I'd say there was some definite benefits, especially in Zug, but they paid a price in losing the community spirit.
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