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Old 25.11.2016, 11:58
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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"@jblachowski @LatishaOrtiz54 looks like # registered voters for Hortonville decreased from 1720 to 1696 post-election - but 1949 votes cast?

futurerustic ‏@jblachowski 21 nov.
@virlensi @LatishaOrtiz54 could same day reg account for 12% increase?

(((Latisha))) ‏@LatishaOrtiz54 21 nov.
@jblachowski @virlensi how would you have same day reg to 1,949 active voters (@ 100% turnout) and then a few days later, 13% vanish?

Tracey ‏@virlensi 21 nov.
@LatishaOrtiz54 @jblachowski it fits with the 1516 'total ballots' number reported, but not the 1949 'total pres/VP votes'

(((Latisha))) ‏@LatishaOrtiz54 21 nov.
@virlensi @jblachowski And, doesn't answer more votes placed than ballots cast.

Tracey ‏@virlensi 21 nov.
@LatishaOrtiz54 @jblachowski yep. There's too many inconsistencies"
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Old 25.11.2016, 14:56
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Not useless at all, fascinating in fact.
Take Hortonville, WI

Total ballots cast : 1516
Total ballots cast for President/VP : 1949
(of which DT got 1369)

I said nothing about voter registration. I'm looking at the raw data. Click through the screenshots Latisha posted on Twitter. Three other precincts have similar discrepancies. That's a lot of "human error".
The numbers being talked about on Twitter were the unofficial tallies, prior to canvassing. Here's more info:

http://wbay.com/2016/11/22/discrepan...lts-explained/

Official results for Village of Hortonville are:
1,516 total ballots cast
1,484 votes cast for Pres-VP. of those
904 went to Trump

According to the Elections Commission, there were 1,696 registered voters prior to Election Day.

As for human error, transposing a few numbers on a calculator is rather common. Especially for poll workers whose average age is 70+ in many places.

Fortunately, if there is a recount WI is in a good place to have reliable results. The vast majority of ballots are paper and all the electronic machines have paper back up.

Contrast this with PA, where the machines do not have paper back up.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

My guess is Trump won't be President. Too much buzz now, too many discrepancies. HRC can't push back, but she doesn't have to now. Enough people are picking up the torch to shine a light onto all the weird unexplained anomalies.
Demographic explanations don't cut it.

To quote some people I've read today:
"DT told us the election would be rigged. He just didn't tell us how he was going to do it".
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Old 27.11.2016, 02:23
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Dems just officially joined the demand for a recount. Get your popcorn ready.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38118852

From August 29, 2016 (of relevance)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...-to-Comey.html

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What I can't get, though, is if you are going to rig an election why do it with a method that they (whoever "they" are) must know would be easily found out, i.e. cause numerous anomalies showing the numbers of votes cast outnumber the actual population of eligible voters.

Surely if you were going to swing it one way or another you'd find a more devious way?
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What I can't get, though, is if you are going to rig an election why do it with a method that they (whoever "they" are) must know would be easily found out, i.e. cause numerous anomalies showing the numbers of votes cast outnumber the actual population of eligible voters.

Surely if you were going to swing it one way or another you'd find a more devious way?
I'm not convinced there was fraud. But I also think that there is enough arrogance all around to choose methods that are not necessarily devious. Who knows?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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What I can't get, though, is if you are going to rig an election why do it with a method that they (whoever "they" are) must know would be easily found out, i.e. cause numerous anomalies showing the numbers of votes cast outnumber the actual population of eligible voters.

Surely if you were going to swing it one way or another you'd find a more devious way?
Ohne Kläger kein Richter.

Nobody will become suspicious unless someone takes a closer look. I see no reason to assume that these kinds of riggings are anything new, and up until now nobody cared.
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I'm not convinced there was fraud. But I also think that there is enough arrogance all around to choose methods that are not necessarily devious. Who knows?
I'm not convinced there was fraud either, but there could have been errors that highlight loopholes that need closing tight shut.

Just as an example, I was in the UK for 2 weeks in the run up to the EU Referendum. I'd already used my postal vote and returned it to the authority where my last full-time residence was (and where my vote was registered), namely Windsor. In my old home town, where I still own a property and pay council tax for the time being, there was a polling card for the referendum in my previous married name. I called the local voting services hotline and the matter was forwarded to another department to be resolved.


31st October, I went back to my house again and found another polling card, still in my former married name, for local elections. Again, I contacted the voting services phone line to rectify the matter.


That's just my experience in the UK this year. I can't be the only person this has happened to, and it does make me wonder what the scale of such issues is in the UK and in the US.
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Old 27.11.2016, 15:52
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Some conflicts of interest:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

http://www.economist.com/news/busine.../n/E/8206181/n
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I'm not convinced there was fraud either, but there could have been errors that highlight loopholes that need closing tight shut...
You do hear similar stories in the U.S. and sometimes people vote more than once. Some of them think if the authorities sent the card then it must be okay to vote. It wouldn't be sent if it was illegal, right? Then you get students that vote at home and where they go to school, retirees that vote in both their northern and southern homes, and spouses/family members that vote for folks who died before Election Day. Plenty of good intentions but still illegal.

In terms of the voting machines, tampering is possible but not likely at least in Wisconsin. Because the machines there have a paper backup, it's easy (but time-consuming) to make sure the votes on the paper match the electronic report, and to make sure the number of votes cast matches the number of signatures in the poll book. Every machine has a chain-of-custody seal with paper trail and the Elections Commission conducts audits after each election.
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the machines there have a paper backup
Saw a video about UK considering e-voting that called that (machine with paper backup) the world's most expensive pencil. It amused me (well, it made one side of my lips raise slightly).

I'll see if I can find it. The guy is quite interesting.

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He's been a public figure in the US for a number of decades, and Americans are much more familiar with him than the rest of the world. It's not like we don't know what we are going to get.

He's not a bad guy; just rich, white, and cis-male; which is enough in itself to trigger PC SJWs; yet compounded with an east coast grittiness. So there are all kinds of mischaracterisations about him floated around, most of it grounded in paranoia and misconceptions. It will be fine. Nothing to be afraid of.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

5000 padded votes just wiped of WI's totals, and the recount hasn't started yet.

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/sig...nt-rigged/246/

He isn't just a fat, obnoxious, white male. He's a swindler and a fraud. He's evaded taxes for 18 years; and put countless firms out of business by not paying his bills.
He has 7000 court cases currently running against him, and just settled on one of them (Trump 'University') for $25m.

He isn't a nice man, and the sexual allegations against him fit everything we know about him.

Lisa Bloom (who was representing Jane Doe in the alleged rape case) who knows first hand what Trump is allegedly capable of, has taken up the torch to expose him. It is inspiring reading.

The votes will be recounted, and imo, we are in for a long chain of previously undetected fraud that will deprive him of his "victory".

If he has nothing to fear, why is he manically tweeting about how HC is such a sore loser. A real election victory would withstand scrutiny.

"Media normalization":
an interesting take on the media's new dilemma. Tell it like it is, or adhere to the new 'party' line?

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump's going off on one on Twitter.

19hrs ago...

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The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...23588759375873

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In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72944532209664

Make your mind up Donald!

it appears that the PE believes he only lost the popular vote due to illegal votes...no...he doesn't believe he lost the popular vote!
Good luck America! You're going to bloody need it!
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This says it all with regards to the shenanigans in WI:

https://medium.com/@davidegreenwald/...14b5#.f6k7djru
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Good luck America! You're going to bloody need it!
Ah stop the nonsense. There have been scores of much worse and much better presidents, so please proceed as usual.
Some of you are worse than CNN, every time Trump farts lately it's breaking news.
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Ah stop the nonsense. There have been scores of much worse and much better presidents, so please proceed as usual.
Some of you are worse than CNN, every time Trump farts lately it's breaking news.
He isn't President yet so none of us can judge accurately, but it would help his reputation if he didn't use Twitter now, except for official business.

Trump doesn't need CNN. He creates his own headlines on Twitter.

Edit: This story is being carried by major International news agencies, e.g.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa...-idUKKBN13M0XN

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And I would like to apologise to my fellow Europeans for Nigel Farage?

Nigel Farage to ask Americans to 'forgive' British people who criticised Donald Trump, in US trip

Nigel Farage has announced plans to apologise to the American people on behalf of Britain for criticisms made of Donald Trump during his presidential campaign.

The interim Ukip leader said he would travel to the US at the end of the week in an effort to cement ties with Washington DC, after becoming the first British politician to meet the President-elect after his shock election victory at the beginning of the month.

Full story
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FTFY!

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