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The US isn't really structured for Authoritarianism. The very essence of its founding and constitution is a rebellion against Authoritarianism. I don't believe it can be contorted to support Authoritarianism without negating its own identity and principles.
Yet a despotic, tantrum prone manchild is what they have as President. Other than short, fat Korean Kim, he disses friends and allies and climbs up the crack of vile dictators and oppressors of American ideals. Curious.
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At the end of the day, we may only find ourselves with only priests in office, and that would be very suspicious.
With the likes of Pence, Sessions and DeVos, you're not far off.
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Old 09.01.2018, 13:39
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Yet a despotic, tantrum prone manchild is what they have as President. Other than short, fat Korean Kim, he disses friends and allies and climbs up the crack of vile dictators and oppressors of American ideals. Curious.
Its great for America to have a leader with balls from time to time. But not to worry, Trump will pass in due course of time.
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Old 09.01.2018, 13:46
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With the likes of Pence, Sessions and DeVos, you're not far off.
I know right. The moral inquisitors of the Left make the religious right look like partners in crimes.

The SJWs have gotten a lot more higher pitched than any of the religious fanatics on the right. Someone please point that out to them!
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:22
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Oh, I think this is freakin great news. I'd love to see the US get rid of career politicians and be replaced by real citizens who are in touch with real concerns of American people.

I don't think we want a ruling class oligarchy. We can leave that to the Europeans.
You do remember that every member of Congress is elected by his or her constituents, in his or her home state and district? The reason you get career politicians is because the people keep electing them.

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Absolutely! Even as Trump.

We ought to have the most talented individuals in Congress representing us, not party operatives. They should be from EVERY sector of society.

That is what the house of representatives was intended to be.
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It is referred to as a "swamp" because of its intransigence, and there are lots of hidden creatures around...
Who is hidden? Every member of Congress is known to the public.

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Did you watch the footage of Trump "singing" the national anthem at the game? He appeared not to know, or to have forgotten, 90% of the words.
Okay, on this point he matches the American people. Most don't know the words (at least not in the right order) and it's a difficult song to sing.
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:24
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I don't know anything about them.....I'm not sure what the litmus test is for court appointees. I assume the President gets a list from the Heritage foundation or Federalist Society, then they go through confirmation hearings for vetting. That is how the process works.
So you accept your statement:
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Trump has been appointing Constitutionalist judges.
is actually bullsh*t? Fact is Trump has been nominating purely political individuals in pursuit of his own agenda. Same as most other nominees from other presidents tbf.
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I honestly think we should all go for a drink one night. It would probably be a good laugh and i'm sure our more extreme viewed members are nice in person.
But that would defeat the purpose of the forum - arguing with people you don't want to meet...

It's funny, after a couple of years I've followed certain ongoing discussions (I was bored, what can I say) I can definitely say that nobody changed their opinions. (on any given subject, probably) A drink won't change that. The question is - can I have a drink with someone who has totally different views or personality? Yes, but I don't expect to keep in touch or anything like that. "Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship" happens in totally different contexts.
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So you accept your statement:

is actually bullsh*t? Fact is Trump has been nominating purely political individuals in pursuit of his own agenda. Same as most other nominees from other presidents tbf.
No, Trump has been following the recommendations of the Federalist Society, which has been feeding him the names. I doubt he personally knows the track records of all these appointees.
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:27
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Did you watch the footage of Trump "singing" the national anthem at the game? He appeared not to know, or to have forgotten, 90% of the words.

See from 1:45 here:

I've watched him a few times now and I think not only does he have untreated dyslexia - explains why he doesn't read or memorize anything very well - he also has untreated dyspraxia and he tries to hide it.. he needs two hands to lift a glass - there is no handle on the glass. When he loses his sense of direction, he tries to hide it and make it look like he is directing someone else towards the exit. He also has large handwriting showing weak motor skills/control.

He has smartly managed all his difficulties extremely well to become a hugely successful businessman, but being POTUS, it's clearly more stressful and difficult for him to hide his disabilities.

I don't think he is senile at all, just think he has significant disabilities which leads to emotional frustration and struggles to remain calm.. all of which feed into the petulant man child image.
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:29
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Who is hidden? Every member of Congress is known to the public.
Unelected bureaucrats in agencies. Trump has called for term limits, and I couldn't agree more. But they have a point that they have term limits, in the form of local elections.
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:39
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It was appealed in circuit courts, and halted by partisan judges. Trump's constitutional argument was that issues of visas and entry are in the remit of his executive branch, the President. It legally is in the President's job description to administer the flow of incoming people. Trump is not modifying the structure of government here, he is merely attempting to execute the limit of its mandate according to his discretion. The Supreme Court agrees with this, The appeals are to determine whether it is in breach of other people's personal rights.

Note here the importance of Personal rights even over the President's rights in the US. We have a case of an allege conflict here which the courts will rule on. But this again speaks of the flow of rights from individual up to the State

The US isn't really structured for Authoritarianism. The very essence of its founding and constitution is a rebellion against Authoritarianism. I don't believe it can be contorted to support Authoritarianism without negating its own identity and principles.
The Supreme court did not agree with anything or rule on anything in the case of the 3rd travel ban; that is your invention.

Here is the complete Supreme Court statement
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17A550 TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF U.S., ET AL. V. HAWAII, ET AL.
The application for a stay presented to Justice Kennedy and by him referred to the Court is granted, and the District Court’s October 20, 2017 order granting a preliminary injunction is stayed pending disposition of the Government’s appeal in the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and disposition of the Government’s petition for a writ of certiorari, if such writ is sought.

If a writ of certiorari is sought and the Court denies the petition, this order shall terminate automatically. If the Court grants the petition for a writ of certiorari, this order shall terminate when the Court enters its judgment.
In light of its decision to consider the case on an expedited basis, we expect that the Court of Appeals will render its decision with appropriate dispatch.

Justice Ginsburg and Justice Sotomayor would deny the application.
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:44
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The Supreme court did not agree with anything or rule on anything in the case of the 3rd travel ban; that is your invention.

Here is the complete Supreme Court statement
Not my invention, its the separation of powers. The Supreme Court has allowed the 3rd travel ban to take effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/u...AA884C&gwt=pay
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Okay, on this point he matches the American people. Most don't know the words (at least not in the right order) and it's a difficult song to sing.
Ah, a true man of the people. Next you'll be telling me he frequents McDonald's and Taco Bell, just like the majority of his fellow 'Muricans.
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No, Trump has been following the recommendations of the Federalist Society, which has been feeding him the names. I doubt he personally knows the track records of all these appointees.
Several of President Donald Trump’s judicial nominees have been deemed "not qualified" by the American Bar Association.

It is clear Trump needs better advisors!
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Not my invention, its the separation of powers. The Supreme Court has allowed the 3rd travel ban to take effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/u...AA884C&gwt=pay
You, and the NYT, are confused. The Supreme Court tossed the question back to the appeals courts and asked them to sort it out, and quickly, please.

Not making any decision may be interpreted by some as "allowing", in much the same way as the German people in the 1940s "allowed" genocide of the Jews by not stopping it, but in both cases it would be a false interpretation.

Read the statement posted by marton, above, and not just the headline posted by the NYT.

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Not my invention, its the separation of powers. The Supreme Court has allowed the 3rd travel ban to take effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/u...AA884C&gwt=pay
I know the Supreme Court has allowed the 3rd travel ban to take effect.

I posted the complete Supreme Court statement that allowed the 3rd travel ban to take effect and which statement you completely failed to understand.

Why would I want to read a Fake News newspaper about a Supreme Court statement when I have read and posted the original
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Old 09.01.2018, 14:56
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Several of President Donald Trump’s judicial nominees have been deemed "not qualified" by the American Bar Association.

It is clear Trump needs better advisors!
Meh, I don't think anybody cares nor is counting, maybe except you? He doesn't have to submit 100% approvals.

I recall hearing the judicial list is being submitted by a Northwestern Law professor. The criteria chosen is likely ideological. You'll have to read about the Federalist Society for questions about its ideology (because I figure you would ask me).
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You, and the NYT, are confused. The Supreme Court tossed the question back to the appeals courts and asked them to sort it out, and quickly, please.

Not making any decision may be interpreted by some as "allowing",in much the same way as the German people in the 1940s "allowed" genocide of the Jews by not stopping it, but in both cases it would be a false interpretation.

Read the statement posted by marton, above, and not just the headline posted by the NYT.
The courts acknowledge there are issues here regarding the rights of the Executive Branch and individual rights. It is trying to determine where it lies in this case. The point being that both are equally important values in the US. The US design can't support an authoritarian dictatorship. What is the point?

They need a structure of the case to make a decision.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The Dems are claiming that Trump's actions are causing a wave of panic in the GOP.

As an example they give the November 2018 elections for State wide roles in New York State where there is currently not yet a single GOP candidate for;
  • Governor
  • Senate
  • Attorney General
  • Comptroller

Jim Kelly who manages GOP campaigns in NY State posted last week in Facebook “Wanted: GOP candidates to run for gov, comptroller, attorney general, U.S. Senate.”
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The Dems are claiming that Trump's actions are causing a wave of panic in the GOP.

As an example they give the November 2018 elections for State wide roles in New York State where there is currently not yet a single GOP candidate for;
  • Governor
  • Senate
  • Attorney General
  • Comptroller

Jim Kelly who manages GOP campaigns in NY State posted last week in Facebook “Wanted: GOP candidates to run for gov, comptroller, attorney general, U.S. Senate.”
Keep an eye on Craigslist... or maybe eBay would be a better bet?
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