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You really think it is that much?
Maybe I was mixing him up with a Turnip...
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So your are saying the Conservatives, just like the Muslims, do not want to modernise their law book
Of course, the US Constitution was only written a quarter Millennium ago so it is practically modern.
You are getting closer to asking more relevant questions, Marton. It is almost like you are getting more intelligent, kind of. You ought to be grateful I have patience with you.

It is not up to the Judiciary branch to define laws. They merely make judgment based on interpretation of laws.

Neither does the US President make laws. They only implement and executes laws.

Congress is responsible for creating and defining laws.

We call this "checks and balances".
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Old 11.01.2018, 14:47
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You ought to be grateful I have patience with you.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how utterly wanky this thread has become?
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Old 11.01.2018, 14:52
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You are getting closer to asking more relevant questions, Marton. It is almost like you are getting more intelligent, kind of. You ought to be grateful I have patience with you.

It is not up to the Judiciary branch to define laws. They merely make judgment based on interpretation of laws.

Neither does the US President make laws. They only implement and executes laws.

Congress is responsible for creating and defining laws.

We call this "checks and balances".
Wrong, wrong, and somewhat correct.

The judiciary interprets laws and thereby defines the way the law is implemented -- often substantially changing what many believe to be the original intent of the law by doing so (think, 2nd amendment).

The president has the right to create (flimsy) laws by Executive Order. The only other "implementation" of laws that he carries out is his signing of laws presented to him by Congress.

Yes, Congress creates and attempts to define (subject to presidential acceptance and Supreme Court interpretation) laws. But Congress is heavily influenced by the House and by the president (and by the myriad lobbyists that Trump has done nothing to evict from the swamp).
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Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how utterly wanky this thread has become?
To be fair, do you really think it's the thread that's wanky?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Its an old video but an interesting analysis of Trumps speaking mannerisms and his simple use of language. I am quite sure that the simplification is not intentional, but rather because he is a simple minded individual.
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Wrong, wrong, and somewhat correct.

The judiciary interprets laws and thereby defines the way the law is implemented -- often substantially changing what many believe to be the original intent of the law by doing so (think, 2nd amendment).

The president has the right to create (flimsy) laws by Executive Order. The only other "implementation" of laws that he carries out is his signing of laws presented to him by Congress.

Yes, Congress creates and attempts to define (subject to presidential acceptance and Supreme Court interpretation) laws. But Congress is heavily influenced by the House and by the president (and by the myriad lobbyists that Trump has done nothing to evict from the swamp).
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong country, and you simply don't get it.
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You are getting closer to asking more relevant questions, Marton. It is almost like you are getting more intelligent, kind of. You ought to be grateful I have patience with you.

It is not up to the Judiciary branch to define laws. They merely make judgment based on interpretation of laws.

Neither does the US President make laws. They only implement and executes laws.

Congress is responsible for creating and defining laws.

We call this "checks and balances".
I was making a statement, not asking a question.

As 22yards posted; American courts follow the doctrine of stare decisis and defer to earlier cases on similar issues. Such cases are known as “precedents.”

Each judge, when deciding a matter before him or her, selects the prior cases on which to rely; no external authority designates precedents.
Under stare decisis, every case has the potential of being a precedent in some sense.

When a law is not clearly defined or poorly written or has gaps or does not cover a particular case then a judge makes a decision which sets a precedent that becomes the law since all future cases will follow that.
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Old 11.01.2018, 15:19
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I was making a statement, not asking a question.

As 22yards posted; American courts follow the doctrine of stare decisis and defer to earlier cases on similar issues. Such cases are known as “precedents.”

Each judge, when deciding a matter before him or her, selects the prior cases on which to rely; no external authority designates precedents.
Under stare decisis, every case has the potential of being a precedent in some sense.

When a law is not clearly defined or poorly written or has gaps or does not cover a particular case then a judge makes a decision which sets a precedent that becomes the law since all future cases will follow that.
Right, a precedent of how a law was previously interpreted and applied. But the courts do not create laws.

I think this is key to understand what is going on in the US. If you can grasp this, you may actually find the whole thing less confusing for yourself and more interesting to observe.
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Old 11.01.2018, 15:32
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

In the news this morning !
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news...ing/index.html
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So your are saying the Conservatives, just like the Muslims, do not want to modernise their law book
Of course, the US Constitution was only written a quarter Millennium ago so it is practically modern.
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Right, a precedent of how a law was previously interpreted and applied. But the courts do not create laws.

I think this is key to understand what is going on in the US. If you can grasp this, you may actually find the whole thing less confusing for yourself and more interesting to observe.
How do you spin my post into me claiming courts create laws which I never did claim, I am not the one who is confused

You were the one who posted liberal judges change law (see your quote) which you also posted is not possible.
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Right, a precedent of how a law was previously interpreted and applied. But the courts do not create laws.

I think this is key to understand what is going on in the US. If you can grasp this, you may actually find the whole thing less confusing for yourself and more interesting to observe.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

An other success for donald


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ice-swe...even-1.4481331


13 kids arrested between 18 and 20 years of age . Source "My wife "

And >>>http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ifax-1.4479375
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What a condescending twat you are.
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An other success for donald


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ice-swe...even-1.4481331


13 kids arrested between 18 and 20 years of age . Source "My wife "

And >>>http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ifax-1.4479375
From your link
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U.S. immigration agents descended on about 100 7-Eleven convenience stores before dawn Wednesday to begin checking on employees' immigration status in what officials described as the largest operation against an employer under Donald Trump's presidency.

In Los Angeles's Koreatown, seven agents who arrived in unmarked cars closed a store for 20 minutes to explain the audit to the only employee there, a clerk with a valid green card.
Agents told arriving customers that the store was closed briefly for a federal inspection
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I would be hurt if I was insulted by an EF'er I respected and/or admired.
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Illegal immigration hits 45-year low under Trump
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But in December 2016, CBP said apprehended nearly 30 percent more illegal immigrants: 58,412.

But like everything ells it started with Obama http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/wink.gif


Like I said everything ells !;-)https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs...3207033107.jpg


More trump BS ! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...erans-affairs/

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Only in Trump's world would catching fewer illegals at the border be defined as a win!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems Grandad's golfing holiday did not do much to restore his faculties.

Yesterday the President claimed Norway had started receiving the first American-made “F-52s” . ​“In November, we started delivering the first F-52s fighter jets,” he said.

The F-52 is a fictional aircraft that features prominently in the successful Call of Duty video game series.

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At least we have learnt that when Trump is not watching TV or tweeting he is playing video games!

Today within two hours he managed to send out contradictory tweets about the foreign surveillance act which is up for voting today so confusing the GOP about how they are supposed to vote.

"Trump urges House to reauthorize NSA surveillance after ripping it in a tweet"

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So long as he does not start to think the red button is for calling room service

Edit;- The House of Representatives passed the legislation reauthorizing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is a key tool of the US intelligence community, despite President Donald Trump's tweeted criticism of the government's surveillance program.

The vote was 256-164. It now goes to the Senate for consideration.
There was nothing written in the Bill to support Trump's claim " I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office".
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