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To be fair to Uncle Max, Loz's sarcasm is pretty dire and in context of his reply to Lewton didn't really have the desired impact and wasn't particularly clever.

Or did I just read it incorrectly?
To be fair, if you're too thick to see the irony in a Greek asking for Poland to be kicked out of the EU because "it'll do the rest of us a favour" then we can reasonably assume that it's not just reading comprehension that has slipped on here.
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Old 14.01.2018, 21:47
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You could argue that I suppose, but Brexit was a simple yes/no question where leave won more votes than any single party in any single election ever. Either way, what's undeniable is that Khan is speaking out of turn given his role as London's mayor.
Are you suggesting Khan's win was something other then a yes/no vote?

Who are you to claim Khan is speaking out of turn given his role as London's mayor?

Are you a London voter?
What do you know about the role of London's mayor?

Of course London's mayor can say Trump isn’t welcome in London, nobody is more entitled to make this statement!
Who do you believe is entitled to say who is welcome in London, or not?
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Old 14.01.2018, 21:49
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Are you suggesting Khan's win was something other then a yes/no vote?

Who are you to claim Khan is speaking out of turn given his role as London's mayor?

Are you a London voter?
What do you know about the role of London's mayor?

Of course London's mayor can say Trump isn’t welcome in London, nobody is more entitled to make this statement!
Who do you believe is entitled to say who is welcome in London, or not?
The UK Border Agency.

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Old 14.01.2018, 21:53
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The UK Border Agency.

HTH
There is a difference between not welcome and declined though.
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Old 14.01.2018, 21:55
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The UK Border Agency.

HTH
You sent me red blobbies and claimed you had put me on ignore.
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:00
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You sent me red blobbies and claimed you had put me on ignore.
seems that was a mass-mail by DB. You know, this problem with pressing "send" without noticing. A week-end bug world-wide.
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:01
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seems that was a mass-mail by DB. You know, this problem with pressing "send" without noticing. A week-end bug world-wide.
Thank you, I am so relieved.
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:07
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Are you suggesting Khan's win was something other then a yes/no vote?
Yes.

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Who are you to claim Khan is speaking out of turn given his role as London's mayor?
Not entitled to an opinion now am I? There's a word for people like you.

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What do you know about the role of London's mayor?
That they're accountable for the strategic government of London. Not the country.

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Of course London's mayor can say Trump isn’t welcome in London, nobody is more entitled to make this statement!
Who do you believe is entitled to say who is welcome in London, or not?
London also happens to be the capital city of the country. You know, the city that represents the other 56 million inhabitants? Government alone can say whether or not someone is welcome or not.
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:14
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Yes.

Not entitled to an opinion now am I? There's a word for people like you.

No.

That they're accountable for the strategic government of London. Not the country.

London also happens to be the capital city of the country. You know, the city that represents the other 56 million inhabitants? Government alone can say whether or not someone is welcome or not.
The London mayoral election was won by Labour Member of Parliament (MP) for Tooting, Sadiq Khan, who polled 56.8% of the votes in the head-to-head second round of voting over Conservative MP for Richmond Park, Zac Goldsmith.

So was no more complex than Yes/No?

The rest of your argument is more flimsy than usual.

BTW "Not entitled to an opinion now am I? There's a word for people like you." The word you are seeking is "logical"
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Old 14.01.2018, 22:47
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Eh, Trump was being more of an "economist" than a "racist".

The US needs to move to a legal merit-based immigration system ASAP so we can provide a proper way for people coming in. The broken immigration system was a sort of scam that allowed underemployment, and really oppressed and enslaved people into cheap labor. A legal system would be good for everybody, and should lift wages for everybody to a more proper level.

Few truly care about real injustice, they need to have it around to give them something to howl and feel righteous about.

There is a lot more sensibility and level headedness in Trump's position than in the Chorus of this Trump Operetta stanza.

Dad wins this one as well.
"move to a legal merit-based immigration system ASAP "
The basic problem with statements like this is that local people in the US like in many other Western countries do not want to work as toilet cleaners or labour in the fields.

A merit based system does not provide such a work force
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The London mayoral election was won by Labour Member of Parliament (MP) for Tooting, Sadiq Khan, who polled 56.8% of the votes in the head-to-head second round of voting over Conservative MP for Richmond Park, Zac Goldsmith.

So was no more complex than Yes/No?

The rest of your argument is more flimsy than usual.

BTW "Not entitled to an opinion now am I? There's a word for people like you." The word you are seeking is "logical"
Yes, much more complex than Yes/No, which is why most people didn’t bother to turn out and vote for either candidate.

If the rest of my argument is so flimsy, how about you put it to bed?
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Old 14.01.2018, 23:11
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You could also say 65% of voters did not vote for Brexit

It is irrelevant, he won, he has the job, he has the bully pulpit.
I'd rather say 71% didn't vote for Trump
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I'd rather say 71% didn't vote for Trump
Compared to 78% who didn’t vote for Khan
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Old 15.01.2018, 00:43
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. 80% of Londoners didn’t vote for him, yet he thinks he can say Trump isn’t welcome in London.
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Compared to 78% who didn’t vote for Khan
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Old 15.01.2018, 08:20
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Yes, much more complex than Yes/No, which is why most people didn’t bother to turn out and vote for either candidate.

If the rest of my argument is so flimsy, how about you put it to bed?
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Compared to 78% who didn’t vote for Khan
You can't make this stuff up. Lets get back to Trump
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Old 15.01.2018, 08:48
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Actually the figure is 74% if you bother adding it up. Not a million miles away from the Trump number.
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Actually the figure is 74% if you bother adding it up. Not a million miles away from the Trump number.
Erm:

Size of electorate: 5,739,011
Number of votes for Sadiq Khan: 1,310,143

(1,310,143/5,739,011)*100 = 22.8%

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He’s an incompetent mayor, yes. But what pisses me off more is that he’s taking it upon himself to speak on matters it’s not his job to do. 80% of Londoners didn’t vote for him, yet he thinks he can say Trump isn’t welcome in London. This isn’t his place to say.
C'mon Loz, I can't count how many times I've read stupid declarations of politicians on behalf of people....while in reality people have totally different opinions or are even ashamed to be represented by them. For me - he's just another politician, maybe not better but defo not worse than others. Criticising him more, under these circumstances, smells like you're having some bias...glad that you think you don't have that bias, though.
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Erm:

Size of electorate: 5,739,011
Number of votes for Sadiq Khan: 1,310,143

(1,310,143/5,739,011)*100 = 22.8%

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Interesting - either this or the turnout calculation I used are wrong. Probably the latter.

Either way irrelevant. If you don't vote you accept the decision of those that do.
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Criticising him more, under these circumstances, smells like you're having some bias...glad that you think you don't have that bias, though.
I'm not sure Loz has ever claimed to be impartial, has he?
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