Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 573

marton · #**11441** 18.01.2018, 08:54

	Quote:	PaddyG
	Seriously, does anyone actually give a f*?

Newspapers do make mistakes then they retract their stories and apologise.

Unlike a certain President who never retracts his fake news!

It did not rain during my inauguration speech
I had the largest inauguration crowd ever
"My first order as president was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."
Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.
There is substantial evidence of voter fraud
"Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI."
"Bob Corker gave us the Iran Deal."
"No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days."
"The NSA and FBI tell Congress that Russia did not influence electoral process."
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#**11442** 18.01.2018, 08:58

	Quote:	marton
	Newspapers do make mistakes then they retract their stories and apologise. Unlike a certain President who never retracts his fake news! It did not rain during my inauguration speech I had the largest inauguration crowd ever "My first order as president was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before." Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. There is substantial evidence of voter fraud "Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI." "Bob Corker gave us the Iran Deal." "No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days." "The NSA and FBI tell Congress that Russia did not influence electoral process." &&&&&&&&&&&&&

For a more comprehensive list:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html

It hasn't been updated since middle of November as I guess it is a lot of work!

marton · #**11443** 18.01.2018, 09:04

	Quote:
	For a more comprehensive list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html It hasn't been updated since middle of November as I guess it is a lot of work!

This list of almost 200 Trump lies seems to be up to date here.

k_and_e · #**11444** 18.01.2018, 09:04

	Quote:
	For a more comprehensive list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html It hasn't been updated since middle of November as I guess it is a lot of work!

so is he worse than an average politician or not?

#**11445** 18.01.2018, 09:09

	Quote:	k_and_e
	so is he worse than an average politician or not?

Depends, is Obama average?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-is-worse.html

Opinion varies from him being The New Coming to the anti-Christ, so I suppose on average, he is the most average!

marton · #**11446** 18.01.2018, 09:13

	Quote:	k_and_e
	so is he worse than an average politician or not?

How do you define "worse"?

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	President Donald Trump has told nearly six times more lies in the first 10 months of his presidency than former President Barack Obama did in his entire 8-year term, according to data collected and published Thursday in the New York Times.

Source

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	Trump is an unpredictable, unreliable partner who cannot be trusted to keep his word. To lawmakers on Capitol Hill, there may be no greater crime, since all members and senators know their word is their bond. Once you lose that credibility, you’re done as a deal-maker.

Source

Trump's claim to fame was that he is great at making deals but so far as President he has not demonstrated this capability.

He is likely to go down in History as a lame duck President; so far in his first calendar year he has signed off less legislation than the last ten Presidents.

kriss kross · #**11447** 18.01.2018, 09:14

	Quote:	marton
	Newspapers do make mistakes then they retract their stories and apologise

Fake news on the front cover with maximum coverage, a few weeks a small article with the (less juicy) truth that doesn't get as much publicity.

Pretty much the M.O of Fake News.

#**11448** 18.01.2018, 10:09

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Fake news on the front cover with maximum coverage, a few weeks a small article with the (less juicy) truth that doesn't get as much publicity. Pretty much the M.O of Fake News.

I know, it's bloody shocking...

FrankZappa · #**11449** 18.01.2018, 10:20

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Fake news on the front cover with maximum coverage, a few weeks a small article with the (less juicy) truth that doesn't get as much publicity. Pretty much the M.O of Fake News.

Whereas Trump and his fans just leave out the second stage...

The Trump M.O.: Never apologize, never correct - Double down!

Uncle Max · #**11450** 18.01.2018, 10:29

The BBC‘s Washington correspondent Jon Sopel was lamenting earlier today about the bubble and warning us all to be on our guard. It‘s interesting, however, that MSM - but not including Fox, as El Pres is want to say - are at least aware they too may even be a bubble. Librul snowflake values such as self reflection and criticism are surely signs of healthy news reporting?

#**11451** 18.01.2018, 10:32

Even his own party oppose his "fake news" attacks:

John McCain - Mr. President, stop attacking the press

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	Trump continues his unrelenting attacks on the integrity of American journalists and news outlets. This has provided cover for repressive regimes to follow suit. The phrase “fake news” — granted legitimacy by an American president — is being used by autocrats to silence reporters, undermine political opponents, stave off media scrutiny and mislead citizens. CPJ documented 21 cases in 2017 in which journalists were jailed on “fake news” charges. Trump’s attempts to undermine the free press also make it more difficult to hold repressive governments accountable. For decades, dissidents and human rights advocates have relied on independent investigations into government corruption to further their fight for freedom. But constant cries of “fake news” undercut this type of reporting and strip activists of one of their most powerful tools of dissent.

Also Jeff Flake: "Trump's attacks on media reminiscent of Stalin"

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	Flake has said he is not comparing Trump to Stalin, who was responsible for the deaths of millions. But he said Trump’s use of a term favored by the Soviet dictator – “enemy of the people” – is chilling. Flake said: “This alone should be a source of great shame for us in this body, especially for those of us in the president’s party.”

kriss kross · #**11452** 18.01.2018, 11:22

	Quote:
	Even his own party two cuckservatives oppose his "fake news" attacks: John McCain - Mr. President, stop attacking the press Also Jeff Flake: "Trump's attacks on media reminiscent of Stalin"

ftfy

Uncle Max · #**11453** 18.01.2018, 11:28

	Quote:
	Even his own party oppose his "fake news" attacks: John McCain - Mr. President, stop attacking the press Also Jeff Flake: "Trump's attacks on media reminiscent of Stalin"

Can't imagine there'll be a response to this ...oh waittasecond

	Quote:	kriss kross
	ftfy

marton · #**11454** 18.01.2018, 12:23

Straws in the wind!

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	Democrat Patty Schachtner defeated Republican Adam Jarchow by about 10 points in Wisconsin’s 10th Senate District on Tuesday, a seat that had been under GOP control since 2001. President Trump carried the district by 17 points in the 2016 election.

If I was a Republican Congressman coming up for election in 2018 I would be panicking

Meanwhile

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	Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says he prints out President Trump's tweets and takes them into consideration while planning foreign policy.

Source

"You could not make this stuff up"!

Capo · #**11455** 18.01.2018, 12:48

	Quote:	Principia Discordia
	This is one of the dopiest things I've read in a thread full of dopey posts. I don't even know where to begin, aside from saying that a major factor in Trump's victory was despair and hopelessness among white Americans incapable of upward mobility, the same situation that's been a given for minorities in the US for ages. You simply have no idea about life in America.

I presented some articles that show some evidences, which obviously I do not think are the absolute truth. Feel free to present your own sources.

And I never said the USA are all roses, on the contrary, there are serious problems. However what I do dispute, with first hand experience, is that notion that poor people do much better in Europe.

Capo · #**11456** 18.01.2018, 13:01

	Quote:	greenmount
	I can agree with some parts of your posts. Immigrants first generation in the USA are always very motivated and if they come with at least a good education (minimum high school diploma) they can make it. However, we're talking about millions of millions of born and bred Americans here, and the upward mobility seems pretty low according to stats. Absolutely. I find a bit silly to vehemently deny that some people do make it there, despite of not being born and bred there. I guess some people are so biased that can't even conceive there's a certain success rate among some groups of immigrants in the USA.

I think we are in the same page.

But is upward mobility better in Europe? Also, what has hindered these people in the USA for upward mobility? Are they willing to move geographically? Have they put efforts on improving their skills?

There are a ton of opportunities and jobs in the USA, proportionally much more than in Europe. But a laid-off coal miner or a history major can't expect upward mobility if they are not willing to do other jobs.

curley · #**11457** 18.01.2018, 13:06

	Quote:	marton
	<<Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says he prints out President Trump's tweets and takes them into consideration while planning foreign policy.>> Source

An other forest gone ....

and "paradise" out of reach for a few more: Haitians barred from applying for visas for low-skilled work in U.S.

#**11458** 18.01.2018, 13:19

	Quote:	Capo
	But is upward mobility better in Europe? Also, what has hindered these people in the USA for upward mobility?

In Western Europe then apart from the UK and Italy yes. In Scandinavia and the Germanic countries dramatically so. Factors include universal and non-discriminatory access to education and universal healthcare.

	Quote:	Capo
	There are a ton of opportunities and jobs in the USA, proportionally much more than in Europe.

Basically no. Overall similar but there are (in both) regional variations

Here's an OECD study to start you off
https://www.oecd.org/eco/growth/NERO...mic-growth.pdf

#**11459** 18.01.2018, 13:21

	Quote:	Capo
	There are a ton of opportunities and jobs in the USA, proportionally much more than in Europe. But a laid-off coal miner or a history major can't expect upward mobility if they are not willing to do other jobs.

I'm not sure you are making any sense here. What other jobs?

Do you think a sacked coal miner is turning down jobs like Chief of Surgery at his local hospital, or turning down jobs of similar stature to coal mining? If he's turning down jobs similar or worse than the one he had before, then taking then would not lead to upwards mobility, it would be downwards or sideways at best.

Aleydis · #**11460** 18.01.2018, 13:23

"Trump’s first year in office has aroused particular intense antipathy. Gallup found that the median of worldwide disapproval of US leadership has hit a new record of 43%, higher than disapproval of Russia (36%), China (30%) or Germany (25%)". Provide the Russian hackers affair is true, Mr. Putin is sure getting his money's worth. <Nelson's ha ha>

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onfidence-poll