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You are so full of nonsense. NHS is a very good service but its underfunded because the UK apparently needs Brexit and Trident more. And self serving Tories and knobs want to see it end so they can profit out of the alternatives.
Is it very good because it's underfunded or underfunded because it's very good?
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You are so full of nonsense. NHS is a very good service but its underfunded because the UK apparently needs Brexit and Trident more. And self serving Tories and knobs want to see it end so they can profit out of the alternatives.
So the NHS is underfunded now? So tell me then just exactly how much more money do they need, 1 billion? 10 billion? A 100 billion? More?? I guess when you're spending £1500 on £2 tubs of moisteriser then you're going to run out of cash pretty quickly. The NHS is shit. People are marching because it's shit, but suddenly now Trump said it's shit, they very same people are up in arms. This is what a religion looks like.

Oh, and the NHS has been around for 70 years. The Tories have been in power for 43 of those years. If they wanted to see an end to it in order to profit, then they're not doing a very good job about it, are they?
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Is it very good because it's underfunded or underfunded because it's very good?
Neither. It is good despite being underfunded. See the difference?.

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So the NHS is underfunded now? So tell me then just exactly how much more money do they need, 1 billion? 10 billion? A 100 billion? More?? I guess when you're spending £1500 on £2 tubs of moisteriser then you're going to run out of cash pretty quickly. The NHS is shit. People are marching because it's shit, but suddenly now Trump said it's shit, they very same people are up in arms. This is what a religion looks like.
People are NOT marching because it's shit. They're marching because it is good and worth protecting but needs funding properly. How much? No idea. But if they increased its funding from less than half the US per capita spend on healthcare to perhaps 60% of US spend it might be able to do its job even better.

I recall a study debated somewhere on EF a coupe of months back that places US healthcare well below the NHS despite the massive difference in funding.

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Oh, and the NHS has been around for 70 years. The Tories have been in power for 43 of those years. If they wanted to see an end to it in order to profit, then they're not doing a very good job about it, are they?
Partially because they know the NHS has massive public support in the UK so to directly attack it is political suicide, partially also that they know a wing of their own party supports it. So they have a long term strategy of death by 1000 cuts.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Apparently the democrats are guilty of thoughtcrime. Seems not applauding Trump is "Un-American"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...easonous-video
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Snork.

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Snork.
Another really neutral source with a highly scientific study, eh?
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Loz, you need to be careful with the MSM (mostly shite media), you know they have an agenda, right?
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Loz, you need to be careful with the MSM (mostly shite media), you know they have an agenda, right?
Rather like the Graun then?
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Neither. It is good despite being underfunded. See the difference?.


People are NOT marching because it's shit. They're marching because it is good and worth protecting but needs funding properly. How much? No idea.
Whatever.

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NHS doesn't deserve more money until it 'puts its house in order' to stop waste, says healthcare inquiry chair
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Rather like the Graun then?
Graun? You lost me there.
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Apparently the democrats are guilty of thoughtcrime. Seems not applauding Trump is "Un-American"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...easonous-video
Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) (military veteran) fired back at President Trump for calling Democrats who didn’t stand and applaud during his State of the Union address “treasonous,” saying she didn’t swear an oath “to mindlessly cater to the whims of Cadet Bone Spurs.”

Duckworth was referring to Trump’s multiple deferments from the draft during the Vietnam War, one of which was for heel spurs, or bone protrusions

She also quoted President Theodore Roosevelt saying that to block criticism of the President “is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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So the NHS is underfunded now? So tell me then just exactly how much more money do they need, 1 billion? 10 billion? A 100 billion? More?? I guess when you're spending £1500 on £2 tubs of moisteriser then you're going to run out of cash pretty quickly. The NHS is shit. People are marching because it's shit, but suddenly now Trump said it's shit, they very same people are up in arms. This is what a religion looks like.

Oh, and the NHS has been around for 70 years. The Tories have been in power for 43 of those years. If they wanted to see an end to it in order to profit, then they're not doing a very good job about it, are they?
The fact of this discussion is that the NHS health care is better than the US and this is demonstrated by my earlier post showing UK life expectancy is much longer thanin the US. This is not a one-off, it has been so for years.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion the NHS is sh#t versus the US but without any supporting facts then you lack credibility.
The topic here is Trump who implied US healthcare is better than the UK but also without quoting any facts.
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Graun? You lost me there.
He means the Guardian.

But he is so far up his own arse he doesn't understand what a valuable and necessary resource a public health service is to the UK. America is proof that privatised health care on a large scale is not beneficial to a healthy functioning society. Privatised and expensive healthcare might work in Switzerland but this population is wealthy and small.
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The fact of this discussion is that the NHS health care is better than the US and this is demonstrated by my earlier post showing UK life expectancy is much longer thanin the US. This is not a one-off, it has been so for years.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion the NHS is sh#t versus the US but without any supporting facts then you lack credibility.
The topic here is Trump who implied US healthcare is better than the UK but also without quoting any facts.
Life expectancy is meaningless. All your graph proves is that burgers and fried chicken are marginally less healthy than Micro Chips and Greggs. Factor in the gun deaths and meth addicts and you come up with a MASSIVE 3 years disparity in life expectancy.

The point remains that for people who are able to pay their way in the world (i.e. the vast majority of people on this forum) it would be far preferable to be treated under the US health system than on the NHS.
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He means the Guardian.

But he is so far up his own arse he doesn't understand what a valuable and necessary resource a public health service is to the UK.
Not just valuable and necessary to the UK, don't forget about the foreigners who also enjoy the services paid for by the British public.
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Life expectancy is meaningless. All your graph proves is that burgers and fried chicken are marginally less healthy than Micro Chips and Greggs. Factor in the gun deaths and meth addicts and you come up with a MASSIVE 3 years disparity in life expectancy.

The point remains that for people who are able to pay their way in the world (i.e. the vast majority of people on this forum) it would be far preferable to be treated under the US health system than on the NHS.
You are really a vile person, probably a borderline sociopath.
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Life expectancy is meaningless. All your graph proves is that burgers and fried chicken are marginally less healthy than Micro Chips and Greggs. Factor in the gun deaths and meth addicts and you come up with a MASSIVE 3 years disparity in life expectancy.

The point remains that for people who are able to pay their way in the world (i.e. the vast majority of people on this forum) it would be far preferable to be treated under the US health system than on the NHS.
Fine as long as everything is going well for you but, lose your job for whatever reason (some people even lose their job for reasons not brought on by themselves ) and health coverage suddenly becomes a major issue.

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Not just valuable and necessary to the UK, don't forget about the foreigners who also enjoy the services paid for by the British public.
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'Deliberate' use of the NHS—use by those who come here specifically to receive free treatment or who come for other reasons but take advantage of the system when they're here—is hard to quantify. It's thought to be very roughly between £110 million and £280 million a year.
'Normal' use of the NHS—by foreign visitors who've ended up being treated while in England—is estimated to cost about £1.8 billion a year.
The majority of these costs aren't currently charged for. Only about £500 million is thought to be recoverable or chargeable at the moment.

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Who do you think of when you hear the term 'health tourist'? A Spaniard who breaks a leg while on holiday in the UK? An American travelling here deliberately to use the NHS for free? What about a British expat who comes home every now and then to see their old, trusted GP?
The figures include all usage from non-UK people including a Spanish tourist who breaks their leg whilst on holiday as well as someone jetting in just to get their manky eye fixed. Not forgetting the cheapskate expat who can't bear to shell out for a trip to his local Swiss doctor and prefers to have his ailments looked at FOR FREE by the GP in the English village he left 25 years ago.

It's not the holiday broken leg or the freeloading manky eye or cheapskate expat which is the problem, it's just that they have scant resources in place for actually collecting payment.

On the plus side, and full credit to the overstretched resources, they do manage to claw back 500 mill.
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You are really a vile person, probably a borderline sociopath.
Wow.

There are very, very few things that Loz has written here on EF that I come even close to agreeing with, but I wouldn't call him "vile" or a sociopath.

I reject the "I disagree with X, therefore they must be the devil incarnate" position.

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Life expectancy is meaningless. All your graph proves is that burgers and fried chicken are marginally less healthy than Micro Chips and Greggs. Factor in the gun deaths and meth addicts and you come up with a MASSIVE 3 years disparity in life expectancy.

The point remains that for people who are able to pay their way in the world (i.e. the vast majority of people on this forum) it would be far preferable to be treated under the US health system than on the NHS.
"Life expectancy is meaningless. " LOL! classic Loz.

You do know the opioid crisis ( ca. 60,000 deaths per year) was caused by American healthcare which rather burns your point about meth addicts.

Actually for people who are able to pay their way in the world then private health care in the UK is very good which is why people come from all over the world.
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