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Old 06.02.2018, 12:42
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seeing as Trump was so keen to take credit for any Wall St. success, will he now take ownership of the current crash?
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Old 06.02.2018, 12:47
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Seeing as Trump was so keen to take credit for any Wall St. success, will he now take ownership of the current crash?
That's a no brainer of a question!
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Old 06.02.2018, 12:55
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Not just valuable and necessary to the UK, don't forget about the foreigners who also enjoy the services paid for by the British public.
So because a minority of people abuse a system, the majority of tax paying citizens should be deprived of it? In fact they should have to pay huge amounts for privatised health care, and then if they need it, should be expected to pay depending on their franchise? Even those hard workers who can't afford it, should then be offered substandard healthcare or choose not to visit a Doctor because they are in a lower economic bracket! It's crazy.

Just to correct you, many "non British" Doctors and Nurses and orderlies and NHS staff also contribute back into the system.
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Old 06.02.2018, 12:58
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Fine as long as everything is going well for you but, lose your job for whatever reason (some people even lose their job for reasons not brought on by themselves ) and health coverage suddenly becomes a major issue.
I'd still prefer take the risk of losing my job and have US levels of care rather than getting treated on the NHS.

"Shocking" figures show that almost one patient is dying malnourished in NHS hospitals every day

Trump was right.
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Old 06.02.2018, 13:05
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I'd still prefer take the risk of losing my job and have US levels of care rather than getting treated on the NHS.

"Shocking" figures show that almost one patient is dying malnourished in NHS hospitals every day

Trump was right.
Mirror shouty-headline, as usual, 3 sizes too big for the actual facts. From the article you posted

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"For example, someone with malnutrition may have cancer of the digestive tract, which means they cannot absorb nutrients; they may have suffered from a stroke or have advanced dementia which can cause difficulties chewing and swallowing; or they may abuse alcohol and so not eat properly.

"In these cases, malnutrition may be recorded on the death certificate as a condition that has contributed to the death, but it will not be the underlying cause."
I guess you're only doing what Trump does, though. Read the screamer of a headline and make up the facts to fit.

I'm not denying that the NHS is not chronically underfunded and struggling, but showboat stories with bent out of shape facts (including the health-tourism favourite) don't help and mask the real problems, nor does it make the US healthcare system look any better by comparison.
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Old 06.02.2018, 13:08
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I'd still prefer take the risk of losing my job and have US levels of care rather than getting treated on the NHS.

"Shocking" figures show that almost one patient is dying malnourished in NHS hospitals every day

Trump was right.
They are not malnourished because of the NHS! They are malnourished because according to the Tories we are all in it together! It's the effects of an economic recession and people can't afford food as wages stay static and food prices go up!
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Old 06.02.2018, 13:19
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Life expectancy is meaningless. All your graph proves is that burgers and fried chicken are marginally less healthy than Micro Chips and Greggs. Factor in the gun deaths and meth addicts and you come up with a MASSIVE 3 years disparity in life expectancy.

The point remains that for people who are able to pay their way in the world (i.e. the vast majority of people on this forum) it would be far preferable to be treated under the US health system than on the NHS.
Then how about a more balanced study:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-survey
Was debated on here a while back. US bottom pretty well everywhere. I could afford both....I'll take the NHS over the US system any time (although I admit I'll take the well funded semi-public Swiss system over the NHS).
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Old 06.02.2018, 13:22
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Mirror shouty-headline, as usual, 3 sizes too big for the actual facts. From the article you posted

I guess you're only doing what Trump does, though. Read the screamer of a headline and make up the facts to fit.
The fact is that the number of people dying in hospital as a result of malnutrition has hit its highest level for a decade, headline or no headline.

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They are not malnourished because of the NHS! They are malnourished because according to the Tories we are all in it together! It's the effects of an economic recession and people can't afford food as wages stay static and food prices go up!
There's no economic recession. Now about those poor people who can't afford to eat...

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Old 06.02.2018, 13:35
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The fact is that the number of people dying in hospital as a result of malnutrition has hit its highest level for a decade, headline or no headline.
Fact is the question has exactly nothing to do with NHS treatment. The question asks about people dying in hospital from malnutrition and asks nothing about the cause of that malnutrition. In fact, the implication is that happens before admission to hospital or due to illnesses like bowel cancer.

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There's no economic recession. Now about those poor people who can't afford to eat...
...which tells us as much about the poor quality of their diet which is a major cause of obesity and can be a cause of malnutrition, even in the overweight.
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Old 06.02.2018, 14:15
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There's no economic recession. Now about those poor people who can't afford to eat...

Now you're just looking completely ignorant, Loz.

The lowest-quality, cheapest food (think McDonald's) that requires no education or skill to "prepare" is also the food most likely to cause obesity. It's really not rocket science.

Next?
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Old 06.02.2018, 14:19
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Now you're just looking completely ignorant, Loz.

The lowest-quality, cheapest food (think McDonald's) that requires no education or skill to "prepare" is also the food most likely to cause obesity. It's really not rocket science.

Next?
Bingo.
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Old 06.02.2018, 14:20
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...which tells us as much about the poor quality of their diet which is a major cause of obesity and can be a cause of malnutrition, even in the overweight.
Although one would think that the NHS would use that stay in hospital for a bit of light and easy diet education by example.

My Swiss wife spent a few weeks in a U.K. hospital and the response to "Why are we just being served junk food, why isn't there any fruit?" was, "Thursday is fruit day".

Not sure having a McDonalds in every NHS food court is a good example either though I don't dispute it's probably a very good revenue earner for the hospital.
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Old 06.02.2018, 14:29
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Although one would think that the NHS would use that stay in hospital for a bit of light and easy diet education by example.

My Swiss wife spent a few weeks in a U.K. hospital and the response to "Why are we just being served junk food, why isn't there any fruit?" was, "Thursday is fruit day".

Not sure having a McDonalds in every NHS food court is a good example either though I don't dispute it's probably a very good revenue earner for the hospital.
True but goes back yet again to the funding question, doesn't it.
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Old 06.02.2018, 14:31
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Now you're just looking completely ignorant, Loz.

The lowest-quality, cheapest food (think McDonald's) that requires no education or skill to "prepare" is also the food most likely to cause obesity. It's really not rocket science.

Next?
Have you got problems reading? Go back and have a look at the post I was replying to.
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Not sure having a McDonalds in every NHS food court is a good example either though I don't dispute it's probably a very good revenue earner for the hospital.
Pretty much every hospital I've visited in Canada has a Tim Hortons, or similar in the food court. TH isn't exactly health food, but it's not quite as unhealthy as just donuts or a burger with a side of fries.

The hospitals probably don't earn from it, other than rent for the space.

I remember when the Canadian hospitals had only the food from their own kitchen. It wasn't right for what most people are looking for in the forecourt (a coffee, a snack, or a sandwich).
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The fact is that the number of people dying in hospital as a result of malnutrition has hit its highest level for a decade, headline or no headline.



There's no economic recession. Now about those poor people who can't afford to eat...


http://www.independent.co.uk/helpahu...-a8116306.html

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-con...trition_vF.pdf

And from the source you posted: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hunger-8611991

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/emma..._17508016.html

That was a 2 second one page Google search there was more, much more. But its OK as nobody is starving, eh Loz.
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Seeing as Trump was so keen to take credit for any Wall St. success, will he now take ownership of the current crash?
Of course not, he's got nothing to with that. Must have been Crooked Hillary.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/helpahu...-a8116306.html

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-con...trition_vF.pdf

And from the source you posted: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hunger-8611991

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/emma..._17508016.html

That was a 2 second one page Google search there was more, much more. But its OK as nobody is starving, eh Loz.
So parenting is shit and people are too stupid to cook; still doesn't stop Trump being right about the NHS.

UK cancer survival worst in western Europe
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So parenting is shit and people are too stupid to cook; still doesn't stop Trump being right about the NHS.

UK cancer survival worst in western Europe
It does. Even the UK is still better than the US

https://www.nursingtimes.net/a-compa...201501.article
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So parenting is shit and people are too stupid to cook; still doesn't stop Trump being right about the NHS.

UK cancer survival worst in western Europe

Co-author of the Concord-3 report, Prof Michel Coleman, said: “If you look at similar European countries the proportion of GDP the UK has spent on health in the last 10 to 15 years is low and has increased less than the others.”


UK health spending fell 8.8 per cent of GDP in 2009, but averaged 10.1 per cent in top EU countries in 2014/15.


So, funding. Great.
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