Seeing as Trump was so keen to take credit for any Wall St. success, will he now take ownership of the current crash?

That's a no brainer of a question!

So because a minority of people abuse a system, the majority of tax paying citizens should be deprived of it? In fact they should have to pay huge amounts for privatised health care, and then if they need it, should be expected to pay depending on their franchise? Even those hard workers who can't afford it, should then be offered substandard healthcare or choose not to visit a Doctor because they are in a lower economic bracket! It's crazy.

Just to correct you, many "non British" Doctors and Nurses and orderlies and NHS staff also contribute back into the system.

I'd still prefer take the risk of losing my job and have US levels of care rather than getting treated on the NHS.

"Shocking" figures show that almost one patient is dying malnourished in NHS hospitals every day

Trump was right.

Mirror shouty-headline, as usual, 3 sizes too big for the actual facts. From the article you posted

I guess you're only doing what Trump does, though. Read the screamer of a headline and make up the facts to fit.

I'm not denying that the NHS is not chronically underfunded and struggling, but showboat stories with bent out of shape facts (including the health-tourism favourite) don't help and mask the real problems, nor does it make the US healthcare system look any better by comparison.

They are not malnourished because of the NHS! They are malnourished because according to the Tories we are all in it together! It's the effects of an economic recession and people can't afford food as wages stay static and food prices go up!

Then how about a more balanced study:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-survey
Was debated on here a while back. US bottom pretty well everywhere. I could afford both....I'll take the NHS over the US system any time (although I admit I'll take the well funded semi-public Swiss system over the NHS).

The fact is that the number of people dying in hospital as a result of malnutrition has hit its highest level for a decade, headline or no headline.

There's no economic recession. Now about those poor people who can't afford to eat...

Fact is the question has exactly nothing to do with NHS treatment. The question asks about people dying in hospital from malnutrition and asks nothing about the cause of that malnutrition. In fact, the implication is that happens before admission to hospital or due to illnesses like bowel cancer.

...which tells us as much about the poor quality of their diet which is a major cause of obesity and can be a cause of malnutrition, even in the overweight.

Now you're just looking completely ignorant, Loz.

The lowest-quality, cheapest food (think McDonald's) that requires no education or skill to "prepare" is also the food most likely to cause obesity. It's really not rocket science.

Next?

Bingo.

Although one would think that the NHS would use that stay in hospital for a bit of light and easy diet education by example.

My Swiss wife spent a few weeks in a U.K. hospital and the response to "Why are we just being served junk food, why isn't there any fruit?" was, "Thursday is fruit day".

Not sure having a McDonalds in every NHS food court is a good example either though I don't dispute it's probably a very good revenue earner for the hospital.

True but goes back yet again to the funding question, doesn't it.

Have you got problems reading? Go back and have a look at the post I was replying to.

Pretty much every hospital I've visited in Canada has a Tim Hortons, or similar in the food court. TH isn't exactly health food, but it's not quite as unhealthy as just donuts or a burger with a side of fries.

The hospitals probably don't earn from it, other than rent for the space.

I remember when the Canadian hospitals had only the food from their own kitchen. It wasn't right for what most people are looking for in the forecourt (a coffee, a snack, or a sandwich).

http://www.independent.co.uk/helpahu...-a8116306.html

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-con...trition_vF.pdf

And from the source you posted: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hunger-8611991

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/emma..._17508016.html

That was a 2 second one page Google search there was more, much more. But its OK as nobody is starving, eh Loz.

Of course not, he's got nothing to with that. Must have been Crooked Hillary.

So parenting is shit and people are too stupid to cook; still doesn't stop Trump being right about the NHS.

UK cancer survival worst in western Europe

It does. Even the UK is still better than the US

https://www.nursingtimes.net/a-compa...201501.article

Co-author of the Concord-3 report, Prof Michel Coleman, said: “If you look at similar European countries the proportion of GDP the UK has spent on health in the last 10 to 15 years is low and has increased less than the others.”


UK health spending fell 8.8 per cent of GDP in 2009, but averaged 10.1 per cent in top EU countries in 2014/15.


So, funding. Great.