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"Patience, young grasshopper"
Better things will come!
Like this? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...of-the-iceberg
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and you maybe consume to much porn with such a fantasy
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

And the USA interferes world wide in other's elections. Such bigots.
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After all the hysteria, media accusations and now the FBI investigation, all they have is 13 Russians catfishing Americans?
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Old 17.02.2018, 11:57
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After all the hysteria, media accusations and now the FBI investigation, all they have is 13 Russians catfishing Americans?
Also a president who was briefed on this and chose to tell the people that nothing has happened.

#penceforpresident
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Old 17.02.2018, 16:36
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Plus mid therm election =Bye bye Republican http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/tongue.gif
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Old 17.02.2018, 19:08
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"There are two groups that have created chaos more than the Russians and that’s the Democrats and the mainstream media,” Gidley [White House] spokesman said.

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I know it is the job of WH press secretaries to spin news and to "gild the lily".

But is it usual for WH press secretaries to openly tell lies which are destroyed in hours by the facts?
Some examples from the many!
Spicer; biggest inauguration crowd ever
Sanders; the [Porter] intelligence background investigation was not completed
Shah; White House spokesman Raj Shah on Friday claimed that new indictments in the Russia probe prove that the Russians did not try to promote one presidential candidate over another in 2016, despite the special counsel charging the exact opposite.
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Old 18.02.2018, 08:23
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In a series of tweets on Saturday afternoon, Trump repeated his assertion that there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia, pointing to an opinion piece published in the New York Post, the president’s tabloid of choice, titled: “Russian indictments prove Trump won fair and square.”

He continued: “Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!”
The unwavering denial continues. Even if (and that is doubtful) Trump wasn't aware of Russia tampering with elections and referendums, how can he carry on acting like he was a fairly elected President? Then make ridiculous comments, like those above. Of course they didn't know he would run for presidency in 2014, but they had the mechanisms in place to tamper with the election processes in the democracies they fear and despise the most.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation
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"Patience, young grasshopper"
Better things will come!
Quite. Mueller is in for the long haul. His 37 page indictment of Russians is a first step.
1) Until now Trump, Fox and Co. have been saying that the whole thing was a hoax and a witch hunt with no foundation. They can no longer do that.
2) Also, firing Mueller and Rosenstein, which has been discussed a lot, would now be a flagrant obstruction of justice in favor of the Russians, so it is off the table.

Next step is to out the Americans who helped or collaborated with the Russians. These will not be Trump and immediate associates, but some will probably have worked for them. After THAT, we will finally be able to see the full scale of Mueller's discoveries.

Interesting times.
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:09
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Quite. Mueller is in for the long haul. His 37 page indictment of Russians is a first step.
1) Until now Trump, Fox and Co. have been saying that the whole thing was a hoax and a witch hunt with no foundation. They can no longer do that.
2) Also, firing Mueller and Rodenstein, which has been discussed a lot, would now be a flagrant obstruction of justice in favor of the Russians, so it is off the table.

Next step is to out the Americans who helped or collaborated with the Russians. These will not be Trump and immediate associates, but some will probably have worked for them. After THAT, we will finally be able to see the full scale of Mueller's discoveries.

Interesting times.
True!

Now Mueller has raised criminal charges against the Russians then any obstruction of justice becomes the obstruction of a criminal investigation which is a significant step higher.
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Old 18.02.2018, 18:51
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

He always manages to plumb new depths of moral decency

Trump: FBI 'spending too much time' on Russia inquiry and missed Florida shooter signs

The president’s attempt to use the shooting to make a political point about the Russia inquiries drew swift criticism

Donald Trump has criticized the FBI for missing the “many signals” about the Florida school shooter, saying the agency was spending “too much time” trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

The US president’s attempt to use the shooting to make a political point about the FBI’s Russia inquiries into the Trump campaign drew swift criticism, including from John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, who told CNN it was an “absurd statement”.

Trump, who the National Rifle Association (NRA) helped elect, made the comments as he faced demands for action on gun control, including from the teenage survivors of America’s latest school massacre.

Thousands of protesters at state rallies this weekend demanded an immediate response from lawmakers in the wake of Wednesday’s attack that left 17 victims dead at a high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday.

On Saturday at a rally in Fort Lauderdale, teenage survivors criticized politicians for taking donations from the NRA. “Shame on you”, said one student, Emma Gonzalez.

Trump, who the NRA spent spent more than $30m helping elect, has said little on gun control following the attack beyond a tweet late Saturday asking why Democrats didn’t pass legislation in the Obama administration, and has instead focussed on the mental health of the suspect, Nikolas Cruz.

On Twitter, Trump referenced the FBI’s admission on Friday that it failed to investigate a specific report in January that Cruz could be plotting a school shooting.

“Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is no acceptable,” tweeted Trump. He accused the FBI of “spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the 2016 Trump campaign”.

Full story
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Old 18.02.2018, 18:59
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@ Castro

When you consider the only piece of Trump legislation about gun control was HJ Resolution 40.
This repealed an Obama-era rule that would have added thousands of mentally ill US citizens to a database preventing them buying firearms you realise how weak is the ground Trump stands on
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Old 18.02.2018, 19:41
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump seems to be in major melt down.

18 tweets in the last 24 hours

13 about Russia and only one about the Florida shooting.

Every tweet looking backwards, not one tweet with any sort of next steps like a promise, commitment, idea or strategy about tackling the major problems on Trump's desk
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Old 18.02.2018, 19:47
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There's something grossly inappropriate about the photo on Trump's twitter of him with the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. Perhaps it's the beaming grins. Almost as if they'd forgotten why they were there in the first place.
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Old 18.02.2018, 20:38
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Trump: FBI 'spending too much time' on Russia inquiry and missed Florida shooter signs

The president’s attempt to use the shooting to make a political point about the Russia inquiries drew swift criticism

Donald Trump has criticized the FBI for missing the “many signals” about the Florida school shooter, saying the agency was spending “too much time” trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

The US president’s attempt to use the shooting to make a political point about the FBI’s Russia inquiries into the Trump campaign drew swift criticism, including from John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, who told CNN it was an “absurd statement”.

Trump, who the National Rifle Association (NRA) helped elect, made the comments as he faced demands for action on gun control, including from the teenage survivors of America’s latest school massacre.

Thousands of protesters at state rallies this weekend demanded an immediate response from lawmakers in the wake of Wednesday’s attack that left 17 victims dead at a high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday.

On Saturday at a rally in Fort Lauderdale, teenage survivors criticized politicians for taking donations from the NRA. “Shame on you”, said one student, Emma Gonzalez.

Trump, who the NRA spent spent more than $30m helping elect, has said little on gun control following the attack beyond a tweet late Saturday asking why Democrats didn’t pass legislation in the Obama administration, and has instead focussed on the mental health of the suspect, Nikolas Cruz.

On Twitter, Trump referenced the FBI’s admission on Friday that it failed to investigate a specific report in January that Cruz could be plotting a school shooting.

“Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is no acceptable,” tweeted Trump. He accused the FBI of “spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the 2016 Trump campaign”.

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Survivors intend to march on Washington on 24th March to demand action.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43105701

Politicians will nod sagely, say we'll do something soon and then go back to sleep on the issue. Nothing will change because they don't want it to change.
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When you consider the only piece of Trump legislation about gun control was HJ Resolution 40.
This repealed an Obama-era rule that would have added thousands of mentally ill US citizens to a database preventing them buying firearms you realise how weak is the ground Trump stands on
To offer a counter-point, many disability advocates wanted Trump's action. They felt/feel it's offensive to classify everyone with a mental illness as potentially violent and that a database is infringing on their rights.

They've got a point, but then what's the answer to prevent people with mental illness from obtaining guns?
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Old 18.02.2018, 21:55
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To offer a counter-point, many disability advocates wanted Trump's action. They felt/feel it's offensive to classify everyone with a mental illness as potentially violent and that a database is infringing on their rights.

They've got a point, but then what's the answer to prevent people with mental illness from obtaining guns?
It seems like mental illness is a bit of a red herring in the gun debate, out of 235 mass killings only 22% could be considered to have some component of mental illness and when looking at seriously mental ill (e.g. schizophrenic) the number is 1%. For me there is a distinction between personality disorders and mental illness, and the data indicates that the former is a bigger contributor to these mass killings than mental illness.
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Old 18.02.2018, 22:29
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It seems like mental illness is a bit of a red herring in the gun debate, out of 235 mass killings only 22% could be considered to have some component of mental illness and when looking at seriously mental ill (e.g. schizophrenic) the number is 1%. For me there is a distinction between personality disorders and mental illness, and the data indicates that the former is a bigger contributor to these mass killings than mental illness.
I agree with you but this is a thread about Trump.
The Trump who claimed the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed and the same Trump who cancelled the law stopping mentally disabled people from buying guns.
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So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

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Oprah Winfrey as a candidate for president. They are really sick in USA!
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Old 19.02.2018, 16:46
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I agree with you but this is a thread about Trump.
The Trump who claimed the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed and the same Trump who cancelled the law stopping mentally disabled people from buying guns.
In all reality, HJ Resolution 40 would not have prevented this incident, as the suspect (although obviously mentally unwell) does not meet requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments.
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