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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Do you have a link so I can read it?

First thoughts - Voters have tended to want "change" after a president has served two terms. Not that they really seem to know what that change should look like, but they want it!

Neither party has won more than two consecutive terms since 1948 - except Bush 41 following after Reagan in 1988 and then he was ousted after one term.

Voters were done with Obama, and Clinton represented more of the same. One could argue that any other Republican would have been a change, but Trump was so out there he represented "real" change.
It was an article which only tangentially talked about Trump, but I remember the idea. (very)Shortly -Obama has raised the general expectations up to unrealistic levels and he couldn't deliver accordingly, nor did he admit it in public. The disillusionments of the Obama era brought Trump in power, hence the idea that he's Obama's legacy. Btw, the author is not a Trump supporter or anything like that, it wasn't really about Trump per se - it belonged to the psycho-sociology genre.
But of course, your explanation does also make sense to me. This is happening everywhere where politics revolves around two significant, historical parties. Of course change was imminent, but I think we can all agree that Trump was a surprise even for the hardcore Republicans. Or maybe not?

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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US Government shutdown after Congress fails to vote.

Losing is the new winning, it seems.
Seems the Senate was blocked from voting by a GOP senator who said it was contrary to GOP principles and practice to keep adding to the US debt. This one adds $300+ Billion after the GOP already added $1trillion by the tax reform.

You have to admire his principles.

There was also the technical issue that this 700 page Bill was introduced on Wednesday, the vote was then scheduled for Thursday so clearly nobody could read and understand the Bill in that short time!
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US Government shutdown after Congress fails to vote.

Losing is the new winning, it seems.
I find that remark interesting, apparently Dreamers are still protected:
"Obama-era guarantees for those immigrants [Dreamers] were cancelled by US President Donald Trump and are set to become invalid next month."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So lets imagine your eight year old asks you:
Who actually lends the US all that money - or do they just print it or are their payments only virtual anyway?

What's the answer?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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So lets imagine your eight year old asks you:
Who actually lends the US all that money - or do they just print it or are their payments only virtual anyway?

What's the answer?
The Government creates interest carrying bonds which they sell and so increase their debt.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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So lets imagine your eight year old asks you:
Who actually lends the US all that money - or do they just print it or are their payments only virtual anyway?

What's the answer?
Japan and China, is the short answer.

Between the two of them they hold considerably more than 10% of the Gross Federal Debt.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The House got up early to vote before 5am the Bill to stop the Govt. shutdown.

Trump has not signed the Bill yet so technically the Govt. is still shut down. No doubt he will get out of bed before midday and sign it

So far as I have read the Bill the budget agreed runs to March 2019 but has mostly ignored Trump's requests and priorities except an extra $160 Billion for the military.

Trump proposed massive Budget cuts for some Govt. departments which were not in the Bill nor any budget for the Wall; there was $10 Billion for infrastructure vs the $1 trillion earlier mooted

The Bill keeps the Govt running until next month, then they will need to create and approve another Bill
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So far as I have read the Bill the budget agreed runs to March 2019
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The Bill keeps the Govt running until next month, then they will need to create and approve another Bill
March 2018?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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March 2018?
Weird system they have in the US!

They have budget planning Bills that this time gave a bill which has authorised a budget cap until March 2019 that included increasing the budget by ca. $400 Billion.

Then they have Govt. spending Bills which authorise the Govt. to spend their budget, the latest Bill runs out on March 23rd.

Maybe someone more versed in the system could give a better explanation?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems Trump does not like the Bill he just signed.

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Costs on non-military lines will never come down if we do not elect more Republicans in the 2018 Election, and beyond. This Bill is a BIG VICTORY for our Military, but much waste in order to get Dem votes. Fortunately, DACA not included in this Bill, negotiations to start now!
I believe Trump's biggest problem in managing his Presidency is that he believes tweeting is a substitute for actually performing actions. Writing a tweet is not a substitute for meeting people, cajoling, persuading, negotiating and so getting things done

Edit:- Fox News host Laura Ingraham says President Trump "got snookered" on the $400 billion budget deal he signed on Friday, adding that the "swamp got re-filled last night."

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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When the united Korean team play, maybe Pence could pull his favorite trick of walking out of sports events to show his master's displeasure. Turning up just to spoil the party seems to be par for the course.
Pence did not walk out, yet!
I am sure the South Korean President was having a laugh when he sat Pence's wife next to North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un's sister Kim Yo Jong.
Both Pence and his wife look like someone stuck broomsticks up them
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Seems the Senate was blocked from voting by a GOP senator who said it was contrary to GOP principles and practice to keep adding to the US debt. This one adds $300+ Billion after the GOP already added $1trillion by the tax reform.

You have to admire his principles.
Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky is the one that slowed the vote. He leans more Libertarian than Republican, and his dad Ron Paul (also rather Libertarian) ran for president a few times. It's good to have some members of the party that don't just blindly follow what the lame leaders say. That goes for both sides of the aisle.

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So lets imagine your eight year old asks you:
Who actually lends the US all that money - or do they just print it or are their payments only virtual anyway?

What's the answer?
Yes.

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Weird system they have in the US!

They have budget planning Bills that this time gave a bill which has authorised a budget cap until March 2019 that included increasing the budget by ca. $400 Billion.

Then they have Govt. spending Bills which authorise the Govt. to spend their budget, the latest Bill runs out on March 23rd.

Maybe someone more versed in the system could give a better explanation?
I attempted to help explain it in post #11515:
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Because of how Congress has been running the budget for the past few decades. Every so often they pass a bill that keeps paying the bills a little bit longer. This is a good explanation of the continuing resolutions:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...bills-on-time/
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Old 09.02.2018, 21:21
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky is the one that slowed the vote. He leans more Libertarian than Republican, and his dad Ron Paul (also rather Libertarian) ran for president a few times. It's good to have some members of the party that don't just blindly follow what the lame leaders say. That goes for both sides of the aisle.

Yes.

I attempted to help explain it in post #11515:
Wot 3 Wishes explained in post #11515 here

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Pence did not walk out, yet!
I am sure the South Korean President was having a laugh when he sat Pence's wife next to North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un's sister Kim Yo Jong.
Both Pence and his wife look like someone stuck broomsticks up them
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Isn't that Bundespräsident Frank-Walter Steinmeier from Germany in the back? Not even mentioned by the newspaper? LOL.

3Wishes: Your answer is: Yes? That won't work once you'll have an eight-year-old, ROFL.
Or did you try it out already and if so, how did you shut him up?

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...3Wishes: Your answer is: Yes? That won't work once you'll have an eight-year-old, ROFL.
Or did you try it out already and if so, how did you shut him up?
LOL. Yes is the simplified answer.

Yes, they issue bonds that then are purchased by other countries as well as "normal" investors. Yes, they print more money (fancy name: quantitative easing) which then devalues the currency, which can spur more outside investment. Both are tools that the U.S. uses.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Pence is a moralistic bible basher
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Pence did not walk out, yet!
I am sure the South Korean President was having a laugh when he sat Pence's wife next to North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un's sister Kim Yo Jong.
Both Pence and his wife look like someone stuck broomsticks up them
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...Obama has raised the general expectations up to unrealistic levels and he couldn't deliver accordingly, nor did he admit it in public...
Having no dog in this fight I think it's fair to mention it's not that he raised expectations to unrealistic levels and couldn't deliver, rather he offered a vision and was routinely blocked by his political opponents.

He didn't make a song and dance about it (Hi Donnie) because good grace and Real Politik. Yes, he was unable to deliver, but the spirit was willing.

Re. 8 year olds:
Due to insane whinging and an element of necessity, you have the option of having both your birthday AND Christmas presents rolled into one, rather than having individual gifts on each occasion. You realise you'll get a bigger package this time, but there'll be nothing for the next event. Meh, ok.

However, you won't accept that come the next event, so fudge some excuse as to why you should have a gift of equal - or greater! - value, despite the deal made last season for the super present. So you make a Faustian deal that your children - should you ever come to have them - will go without presents, so you can 'repay' the big package and guaranteeing the supply of subsequent gifts for each of your birthdays and Christmases.

Then realising you're onto a winner, you mortgage out your grandchildren as well as all the other kids in the family, street, village, county and country.

Except it's your Mommy who agreed to the initial crazy deal of two-for-one Christmas / Birthday present ...or maybe it was her parents when she no doubt asked for the same advance for the same reasons. Nobody really remembers, but the effect is monstrous and there's not really a solution.

Except War.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump to deliver 2019 budget proposal to a Congress that largely rejected his 2018 plan

Trump's fiscal 2018 budget proposed slashing dozens of federal agencies and scores of programs including Superfund cleanup, rural air service and local health service grants. In the months since, the Republican-controlled Congress has largely rejected his cuts, with GOP lawmakers alternatively calling elements of the budget “misguided,” draconian” and “non-starters.”

As the president gets ready to unveil his 2019 budget proposal on Monday, he is finding that many of the recommendations he made last year for the previous fiscal year are, as Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain put it, “dead on arrival.”

And any opportunity for fiscal restraint seemed to evaporate early Friday morning when Congress approved a deal lifting tight spending caps known as the "sequester." The deal frees up up billions more for programs the president proposed slashing in his budget — a compromise the president himself cheered in a tweet because it significantly boosts Pentagon spending.

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I have the impression that Congress is increasingly ignoring the conflicting requests from Trump and instead they are simply formulating new Bills that attract sufficient votes to be approved then forwarding them to Trump for signature.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You know if someone had made a film or TV series about the US President and leader of the free world where he spent a lot of his time tweeting whatever rubbish he last saw on Fox News it would have been dismissed as unbelievable!

Latest example
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“My view is that not only has Trump been vindicated in the last several weeks about the mishandling of the Dossier and the lies about the Clinton/DNC Dossier, it shows that he’s been victimized. He’s been victimized by the Obama Administration who were using all sorts of.......
....agencies, not just the FBI & DOJ, now the State Department to dig up dirt on him in the days leading up to the Election.
Comey had conversations with Donald Trump, which I don’t believe were accurate...he leaked information (corrupt).”
Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch on @FoxNews
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All reminds me of back to the future!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrhnWgOFGg
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