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Sometimes his bad points can be good e.g. being a maverick and a populist

Donald Trump stuns allies by signalling backing for tighter gun control
  • Stance puts president at odds with NRA and Republican lawmakers
  • Trump urges lawmakers to be ‘strong’ on background checks
Donald Trump has repeatedly endorsed a series of gun control proposals that put the Republican president at odds with the National Rifle Association and stunned lawmakers within his own party.

The president made the remarks during an extraordinary, hour-long White House meeting on Wednesday with congressional Republicans and Democrats who are under pressure to address gun violence in the aftermath of the massacre at a Florida high school earlier this month.

During the meeting, Trump called for a “beautiful” comprehensive bill that would expand background checks on gun purchases, remove guns from the hands of the mentally ill, bolster security on school campuses and restrict young people from purchasing certain weapons.

Within hours of the meeting’s conclusion, conservatives and some Republicans turned on Trump, who was elected with broad support from the gun lobby and claimed on Wednesday that the National Rifle Association had “no bigger fan”. Breitbart, the far-right news organization that fanned the flames of Trump’s rise, denounced the president as a “gun grabber” who “cedes” to Democrats.

Senator Ben Sasse, a conservative Republican who was not in the meeting, lacerated the president for his tendency to shift positions on a whim.

“Strong leaders do not automatically agree with the last thing that was said to them. We have the second amendment and due process of law for a reason,” Sasse said. “We’re not ditching any constitutional protections simply because the last person the president talked to today doesn’t like them.”

Trump, who ran the meeting like a boardroom CEO, pointing at lawmakers for updates on their legislation, called on Congress to be “very strong” on background checks, repeatedly offering his support for a plan that failed to pass the Senate in April 2013, months after a gunman killed 20 young children and six staff members at Sandy Hook elementary school.

“You have to be very, very powerful on background checks. Don’t be shy,” Trump said during the televised session. He added: “I’d rather have you come down on the strong side than the weak side. The weak side is easier to do.”

Two senators, Democrat Joe Manchin and Republican Pat Toomey, both of whom attended the meeting, plan to reintroduce their bill that would have imposed universal background checks for commercial gun purchases, including at gun shows and over the internet.

Eighty-four percent of Americans favor such a law – although critics note that the proposed legislation still does not cover private sales between private people who are not licensed dealers.

Trump urged the lawmakers to combine the measure with a separate modest bipartisan proposal to incentivize public agencies to improve reporting to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System. Democrats have said the plan is woefully inadequate, and does not address the demands of student survivors of the Parkland shooting, many of whom have called for a complete ban on assault weapons for civilian use.

In a surprising exchange with Toomey, Trump asked if his measure included a provision to raise the age to buy assault weapons from 18 to 21. Toomey replied that it did not, and Trump shot back: “You know why? Because you’re afraid of the NRA.”

Trump rejected a demand by conservatives in the House that this so-called Fix Nics bill be paired with controversial concealed carry legislation, which is favoured by the NRA and would loosen restrictions by enabling gun owners with concealed-carry permits in their home states to take their firearms across state lines.

“If you add concealed carry to this, you’ll never get it passed,” Trump told Steve Scalise, the House majority whip, who was last summer by a gunman targeting a congressional baseball practice. “Let it be a separate thing.”

Trump repeatedly berated his Republican colleagues, accusing them of being afraid of the NRA, and appeared to take pleasure in stating his willingness to take on the gun lobby.

“Some of you people are petrified of the NRA. You can’t be petrified,” he said. Trump gloated that he pushed the NRA’s leaders to back some reforms to gun regulations over lunch last weekend.

Trump alarmed staunch supporters of the second amendment when he suggested that in some cases law enforcement should be allowed to “take the guns early,” even before seeking approval from a court.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

The vice-president, Mike Pence, diverged, calling for more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals who own weapons. “Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons …” Pence said, before being interrupted by Trump.

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,” he said.

Asked whether Trumps remarks in the meeting were a betrayal, NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said in a statement: “While today’s meeting made for great TV, the gun-control proposals discussed would make for bad policy that would not keep our children safe. Instead of punishing law-abiding gun owners for the acts of a deranged lunatic our leaders should pass meaningful reforms that would actually prevent future tragedies.”

In the meeting, Trump also called for “hardening” schools, and again asserted his controversial idea that arming teachers would help prevent future shootings. He also said he would issue an executive order banning “bump stocks”, devices that effectively convert semi-automatic weapons into fully automatic weapons.

“You don’t have to worry about bump stocks. Shortly that will be gone, I’ll do it,” Trump said. The president said last week he was asking the Department of Justice to look into outlawing the gun accessory.

The meeting was similar to a televised session on immigration, convened by Trump earlier this year, in which he appeared to break with the hardline anti-immigration forces that fueled his rise to the presidency.

Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat who was at the immigration meeting and was on the losing end of the president’s vacillation on the issue, said he was hopeful but skeptical that Trump would stick to the views expressed in Wednesday’s meeting.

“I wouldn’t bet the farm on it,” Durbin said.

During the meeting on Wednesday, Senator John Cornyn, the second-ranking Republican in the chamber, presented his Fix Nics plan. The bill, which he co-sponsored with the Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy, would strengthen reporting and information sharing in the existing background checks system. The bill, however, does not address loopholes for private sales, family transfers and purchases at gun shows.

“Fix Nics has some really good things in it but it would be nice if we could add everything on to it – and maybe change the name,” Trump said, offering the alternative title: “The US background bill, or whatever.”

Trump urged lawmakers, especially Republicans, to go bigger, reminding them that a majority of Americans support expanding background checks. But he also appeared to ignore the legislative challenges – and past failures.

“It’s going to be way above 60,” Trump predicted of the vote in the Senate. “Maybe a number that nobody would ever believe. People want to see something happen.”

But despite immense public pressure, led in part by students who survived the Parkland shooting, and an endorsement from the president, some Republican lawmakers maintain that the political reality is unlikely to produce any consequential action on gun control.

“They call politics the art of the possible for a reason. A lot of things that sound like interesting ideas, we just simply can’t get the votes for them,” Cornyn said.

Republicans, who had hoped to pass the Fix Nics legislation by the end of the week, are no longer sure what the path forward will be.

“Everybody’s trying to absorb what we just heard,” Cornyn said.

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What we know of the man is that he has gossamer-thin skin mixed with a vindictive streak, therefore if his base turns on him he could swing the other way in retaliation. Added to that is a change in public opinion (unlike Sandy Hook this refuses to go away) so his populist instincts could take over. At the end of the day he doesn't really care about guns, he's only ideological about making money.

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Within hours of the meeting’s conclusion, conservatives and some Republicans turned on Trump, who was elected with broad support from the gun lobby and claimed on Wednesday that the National Rifle Association had “no bigger fan”. Breitbart, the far-right news organization that fanned the flames of Trump’s rise, denounced the president as a “gun grabber” who “cedes” to Democrats.

Senator Ben Sasse, a conservative Republican who was not in the meeting, lacerated the president for his tendency to shift positions on a whim.

“Strong leaders do not automatically agree with the last thing that was said to them. We have the second amendment and due process of law for a reason,” Sasse said. “We’re not ditching any constitutional protections simply because the last person the president talked to today doesn’t like them.”
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What we know of the man is that he has gossamer-thin skin mixed with a vindictive streak, therefore if his base turns on him he could swing the other way in retaliation.
Remember his promise that for each piece of legislation that he brought in, two would be removed from the statute books? I wonder if anyone on Capital Hill is preparing a record of these exchanges.
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Old 01.03.2018, 09:57
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What we know of the man is that he has gossamer-thin skin mixed with a vindictive streak, therefore if his base turns on him he could swing the other way in retaliation. Added to that is a change in public opinion (unlike Sandy Hook this refuses to go away) so his populist instincts could take over. At the end of the day he doesn't really care about guns, he's only ideological about making money.
He also said "remove guns from the hands of the mentally ill" which is ironical when the only gun related action he has taken as President was to reverse the law that stopped putting guns in the hands of the mentally ill.

He has no strong views or direction or consistency; he simply jumps whichever way he believes will bring him the most political support.

He also now seems to be reverting to his comfort zone as a reality TV show leader.
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Dow Jones fell 250 points so under 25,000 points again yesterday, almost 2,000 points below its best of a month ago.
Good it is just a temporary drop

Down another 166 points today
After some days of recovery Dow Jones fell 380 points yesterday almost crashing down through the 25,000 level again.
Looks like the Market will be in a state of flux for some time to come.

The changes were startling because they followed a period of extreme calm and during a roaring economy.

A number of different reasons have been suggested for the market falls mostly around inflation fears and potential interest rate rises but not really wholly convincing. We will just have to wait and see, anyway the myth that Trump was somehow responsible for the market rises has been punctured after the worst Dow and S&P month for two years.
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He also said "remove guns from the hands of the mentally ill" which is ironical when the only gun related action he has taken as President was to reverse the law that stopped putting guns in the hands of the mentally ill.

He has no strong views or direction or consistency; he simply jumps whichever way he believes will bring him the most political support.

He also now seems to be reverting to his comfort zone as a reality TV show leader.


I think he jumps whichever way he believes will bring him the most coverage, I can't believe he has any political convictions for which he would require support. Yet he had a 93% approval raiting at CPAC where he encouraged the booing of a vietnam vet dying of cancer, classy CPAC, classy.


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Donald Trump stuns allies by signalling backing for tighter gun control.....
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He has no strong views or direction or consistency; he simply jumps whichever way he believes will bring him the most political support......
I keep having the impression he simply does not remember what he said the day before. Why else would it be possible to point out his contradictions again and again - on film even!
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The daily scandal

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The Senate Intelligence Committee has found that a Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee leaked text messages sent by Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) and leaked them to Fox News.

Members of the Senate committee were briefed on the conclusions made by the committee leaders, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Warner.

The New York Times reports the two leaders demanded a meeting with House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) to address the leak and inform him of their findings.
During the meeting, they also raised concerns about the House committee and its leader, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.).
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Another ominous cloud over Nunes
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The FCC’s order under the Trump administration to end net neutrality rules started last week; this means all providers of internet backbone services are no longer forced to provide the same level of service to all users.
For example, some users could find their service speed is reduced from now or are required to pay more for decent service speeds.

Oddly for Trump this will benefit Comcast, the largest cable provider and owner of MSNBC and SNL, and also Charter, the second largest cable company and owner of CNN, (Trump hates MSNBC, SNL and CNN) and so could boost these on line services and on the other hand could negatively impact Fox News (who Trump loves) who rely on providers like Comcast & Charter to deliver their on line content.
Imagine if all Fox hot news deliveries were delayed 30 minutes.

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As the article states; probably a Trump blunder
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After some days of recovery Dow Jones fell 380 points yesterday almost crashing down through the 25,000 level again.
Looks like the Market will be in a state of flux for some time to come.

The changes were startling because they followed a period of extreme calm and during a roaring economy.

A number of different reasons have been suggested for the market falls mostly around inflation fears and potential interest rate rises but not really wholly convincing. We will just have to wait and see, anyway the myth that Trump was somehow responsible for the market rises has been punctured after the worst Dow and S&P month for two years.
Although it is doubtful Trump was somehow responsible for the Stock market rises he proved today he is capable of causing Stock Market crashes!!

After he announced his plans today for punitive steel and aluminium tariffs the Dow crashed over 500 points; now over 2,000 points below it's peak this year.
Never mind, I am sure the Dow will spring back up before close of US business today
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Never mind, I am sure the Dow will spring back up before close of US business today
Sure thing. As soon as Donald has changed his mind again, definitely before closind time tonight
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Sure thing. As soon as Donald has changed his mind again, definitely before closind time tonight
Dow closed 420 down tonight, Just needs a U turn from Don to turn it around.

Meanwhile a report from Bloomberg states the US economy is doing well

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So well that factories are falling behind on delivering orders.
It is not clear how this will turn out while Trump continues to both stimulate the economy and to throttle immigration that could provide additional factory workers.
This is a common problem in war time but the US is unlikely to adopt the usual war time solution of conscripting workers.
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FBI counterintelligence investigating Ivanka Trump business deal.

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Difficult to guess if there is any real content in this.
However after all the attacks on FBI integrity by Trump and his cronies then it is not surprising if they face FBI pushback who will be scrutinising every detail of Trump family dealings; back to 2013 in this case.
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I'm sure we have all been waiting to see how Trump responds to Putins sabre rattling video showing a nuclear strike on Mar a Lago State. Wait no longer, the orange one has taken immediate and decisive action by tweeting

"Alec Baldwin, whose dying mediocre career was saved by his terrible impersonation of me on SNL, now says playing me was agony. Alec, it was agony for those who were forced to watch. Bring back Darrell Hammond, funnier and a far greater talent!"


Probably some coded thread against Putin. Putin is scared of Darrell Hammond perhaps?
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I thought Trump was meant to be impeached by now?
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Nah, it's like having an entertaining stray dog which you'd rather watch chase its tail and snap at hose-pipe water for a bit longer before sending it to the pound. Obviously if it sh*ts on the carpet it's game over.

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I'm sure we have all been waiting to see how Trump responds to Putins sabre rattling video showing a nuclear strike on Mar a Lago State. Wait no longer, the orange one has taken immediate and decisive action by tweeting

"Alec Baldwin, whose dying mediocre career was saved by his terrible impersonation of me on SNL, now says playing me was agony. Alec, it was agony for those who were forced to watch. Bring back Darrell Hammond, funnier and a far greater talent!"


Probably some coded thread against Putin. Putin is scared of Darrell Hammond perhaps?
"Forced to watch"? He really does take his TV time seriously, doesn't he?

In other news, rumours are again surfacing that Javanka are on their way out of the WH.
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