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Old 21.03.2018, 09:34
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IMO, the main scoop in today's undercover Cambridge Analytica segment is that they disregarded campaign laws.

Cambridge Analytica claimed to handle all of Trump's campaign ads, running positive ads with Trump's funds directly and negative/shady ads with SuperPACs that couldn't be traced back to them. The thing is, SuperPACS are required by law to be independent of campaigns. It's a line that's probably crossed quite a bit, but you never get the baldfaced admission of violations on video tape.

Don't know if they'll be reprecusions directly on this but this could be another excuse to investigate deeper and from an additional angle.

WaPo goes into this at more depth: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lections-work/
More info about Cambridge Analytica

The firm is partly owned by GOP donor and hedge fund billionaire Robert Mercer and his family, and has ties to former and current Trump advisers.

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is the firm's former vice president, and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway consulted for the company.

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Wonder who else has links with this interesting company?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Given that just under half of Americans approve of Trump (43% - 49% depending where you look) you would think that the media would try and reflect their audience and give a bit of balance with their coverage - seems to be a bit one-sided.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

That doesn't really surprise me.

In that world, everything and everybody is connected.
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Given that just under half of Americans approve of Trump (43% - 49% depending where you look) you would think that the media would try and reflect their audience and give a bit of balance with their coverage - seems to be a bit one-sided.
I assume the media do whatever they need to do to improve their circulation numbers.
If they took a stance that hit their circulation then they would soon change?

Everything else is hypothetical!
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Given that just under half of Americans approve of Trump (43% - 49% depending where you look) you would think that the media would try and reflect their audience and give a bit of balance with their coverage - seems to be a bit one-sided.
The fact is he has burnt through acres of goodwill during his last 15 months in office. Many of us had high hopes that he would be humbled by the majesty of office and act Presidential, but instead he has debased the Presidency and has used social media to conduct petty vendettas, spew vile racism, sexism and xenophobia.

The media doesn't have to discredit him, he's doing a fine enough job of that himself.
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Cambridge Analytica had an arrangement with a company called (GSR), owned by Cambridge-based academic Aleksandr Kogan, on the harvesting and processing of Facebook data. Collected 50 million US user profiles from Facebook (Facebook claim the data had been illicitly obtained)

Kogan is also an associate professor at St Petersburg University and he’s received grants from the Russian government
Was wondering if he was Russian, but according to this he's "Moldovan-born".

I am being used as scapegoat - academic who mined Facebook data

Who is Dr Aleksandr Kogan, the Cambridge academic accused of misusing Facebook data?

"Kogan was born in Moldova, and lived in Moscow until he moved the United States at the age of seven."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

After Trump accepted the "N. Korea invitation" there has been only silence from N. Korea for two weeks causing speculation that there was not such an invitation.

Now there is today a statement from N. Korea but it does not reference Trump's announcement or make it clear there will be such a meeting so leaving a suspicion that the N. Koreans are playing Trump.

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So far the Telegraph is the only paper with this report

Edit: also a piece in CNN here
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Funny, When Obama Harvested Facebook Data On Millions Of Users To Win In 2012, Everyone Cheered
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Hmmm...

"Personality Quiz" app or "Obama 2012" app.

If you downloaded the Obama 2012 app then didn't know it was anything to do with the election you probably shouldn't be allowed out on your own. Or near anything sharp.

Personality Quiz? Come on...

Even though both apps stated that it would access your friends you wouldn't necessarily know that a "Personality Quiz" was anything to do specifically with an election.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

White House to Trump: Do NOT congratulate Putin.

Trump calls Putin: Hi Buddy
Putin: Hi Comrade. Wonderful to hear from the best president in the western world.
Trump: It's always a pleasure to talk to you too. Congratulations on your victory. It's great. So glad to hear it.
Putin: Thanks, Donald. I'm proud of it as well and I'm thrilled we'll continue to be working so well together in the future.
Trump: You can count on me. We're going to make the world great again.
Putin: Absolutely.
Trump: Listen. Why don't we have a meeting sometime in the not too distant future. I'd love to talk to you in person.
Putin: Great idea. Let's do it. Have a great day.
Trump: You too! Goodbye.

Trump hangs up still smiling because he's set up a meeting with Putin. No other US president has had such an amicable relationship with the leader of Russia nor with the leader of North Korea. Trump's on a roll and he's got the world shaking in their boots.....(from laughter by their successful duping of such a gullible man)
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

From your link "the Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica's."
Does not make sense? How can you test its accuracy? This implies you already have a master set of accurate data to test against so why would you need either the RNC data or Cambridge Analytica's?
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Wow, that's amazing! Harvard law professors have the same problems with basic primary school-level spelling and grammar as Trump!

Or did he make it all up? Again.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump's in trouble again with the media for congratulating Putin on his win.

Strange, they didn't seem so outraged when Obama did the exact name thing in 2012.
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Trump's in trouble again with the media for congratulating Putin on his win.

Strange, they didn't seem so outraged when Obama did the exact name thing in 2012.
Obama's congratulations aside (do we know for sure he did send congratulations?), the 2012 election appeared not to be rigged, ran relatively smoothly ("positively") and didn't feature the opposition leader being excluded as a result of trumped-up (see what I did there? ) charges.

But otherwise, yeah, those two events are exactly comparable.
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Trump's in trouble again with the media for congratulating Putin on his win.

Strange, they didn't seem so outraged when Obama did the exact name thing in 2012.
2012 was before the first July - Sept. 2014 US sanctions on Russia for Crimea.
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Putin was a 'good guy' back in 2012
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Trump's in trouble again with the media for congratulating Putin on his win.

Strange, they didn't seem so outraged when Obama did the exact name thing in 2012.
It's not just "the media" he's in trouble with, it's politicians in his own party. Who were also regularly critical of Obama's policies towards Russia.

I'm fairly amazed that Trump's decision to ignore and not enforce the Russian sanctions passed nearly unanimously by Congress hasn't gotten more attention. It all fits into a pattern of capitulation, lying, and discrete communications/meetings even when there's no clear political upside to these actions...
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It's a Republican thing lately, simply because Rs controlled more state houses after the 2010 census than Ds and therefore got to draw the maps. In some places, it's been done in such a way that the Rs win a substantial majority of seats even when getting 50% or fewer of the total votes.

Ds have done their own gerrymandering over the years as well, but not to the extent Rs have recently.
Ok, that's the situation now. You imply however that the dems may well have been no better in the past (perhaps corrected for less detailed data and their processing). Do you know of studies on the topic?
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You imply however that the Dems may well have been no better in the past (perhaps corrected for less detailed data and their processing). Do you know of studies on the topic?
For some larger context: gerrymandering is a dreadful anti-democratic practice, but it's also as American as Apple Pie (it's been going on for centuries!). Often, it was done in a bipartisan way to benefit incumbents (e.g. in California) or to disenfranchise minority populations - which americans are quite ingenious at.

One reason it's a little challenging to answer your question is the extreme congressional partisan gerrymandering we see today has taken off in the 21st-century. And because Republicans have held more power in state legislatures it can be hard to say whether they're more shameless gerrymanders or were in the right spot at the right time - that is, the time when respecting democratic values became a complete facade.

Here's a website from a Princeton Professor that has numerical assessments of gerrymandering. You can scroll through the years and see who are the worst offenders. Currently: Texas, Pennsylvania, Wisconson, Michigan, and North Carolina - all drawn by Republicans. It's why the Democrats likely need to win the house by a total of ~6 to 7 points nationally to actually control a majority of seats.

Worth noting that there are heavily gerrymandered states for Democrats, e.g. Maryland, it's just that a few of the more populous states controlled by Democrats (where gerrymandering really makes a dent congressional representation) have opted for a fairer and more transparent redistricting process.
For example, California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...ing_Commission
Washington State: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin...ing_Commission

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Putin was a 'good guy' back in 2012
Not seen any official documents stating the contrary
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