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Given that just under half of Americans approve of Trump (43% - 49% depending where you look) you would think that the media would try and reflect their audience and give a bit of balance with their coverage - seems to be a bit one-sided.
How would you suggest that's done? have you got any great treasure trove of stories where trump tells the truth, acts honorably or even like an adult that the nasty wasty media are willfully not reporting? How about any willfully false stories akin to the Clinton pizzagate stories? Willfully false like your lower bound of 43% I mean, lowest I'm aware of is more like 36%

What are they to report? He lies, they report it, he cheats on his wife, they report it, he lies, they report it, he breaks promises they report it, he lies they report it, he acts like a pathetic man-baby, they report it, he attacks vets, they report it, he mocks the disabled, they report it. He says (but not does) anything that resonates with the sort of people who voted for him and they report it.
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The dysfunctional Congress seem to be inching towards another Govt. shutdown as they try to iron out differences in the $1.2 Trillion spending bill.

They seem to have given up on including DACA but GOP are not giving up on Wall funding. There are also open promises on fixing Obamacare which need resolving.....
Still inching towards another Govt. shutdown
Bill needs to be agreed, text finalised and voted on by both House and Senate and all before close of business on Friday.

Latest gossip
Trump will not get the $25 Billion he requested for his wall, maybe $600 million for a "non-concrete" barrier; whatever that is

Maybe $600 million for projects that could be diverted to the Gateway tunnel project (New York - New Jersey) despite Trump saying he will not sign that.

No financial punishments for Planned Parenthood or sanctuary cities.

The bill does not fund President Donald Trump’s request to increase the number of detention beds and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.

More money for defending against cyber warfare

30% budget cut for EPA not approved.

Of course all this is gossip and may well be different on the day.

Do not know what will happen about Trump's requests to cut funding for other departments like State, I suspect also ignored!

Latest news, White House just announced Trump will sign the Bill.
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Former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe oversaw a federal investigation last year into whether Attorney General Jeff Sessions was fully forthcoming in his testimony to Congress about his contacts with Russian officials, ABC News reported Wednesday.

Top GOP and Democratic lawmakers learned about the probe last year in a private briefing with McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. The probe has since been closed.

Sessions was not aware of the investigation when he fired McCabe on Friday night, according to ABC News.

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Presumably they decided Sessions did not break any laws?
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How would you suggest that's done? have you got any great treasure trove of stories where trump tells the truth, acts honorably or even like an adult that the nasty wasty media are willfully not reporting
Media bias isn't about not reporting stories, rather it is about giving attention to one side of the story, or deliberately under-reporting/over-reporting certain stories.

Whatever happened to ISIS?
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Media bias isn't about not reporting stories, rather it is about giving attention to one side of the story, or deliberately under-reporting/over-reporting certain stories.

Whatever happened to ISIS?
You want to give trump credit for the end result of a campaign ongoing since 2014? seriously? a guy with who won't even read intelligence briefings?
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You want to give trump credit for the end result of a campaign ongoing since 2014? seriously? a guy with who won't even read intelligence briefings?
I think his point was that IS is not in the news much these days. kriss kross seems to think that's an indication of reporting bias.

I've noticed that the moon landings get very little coverage nowadays, as well.
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I think the defeat of IS did seem to be under-reported, Trump decimated 90% of their forces after years of trying under Obama - just like he said he would.

But that's just my speculation and I can't prove that, yet if you want proof of the media bias against Trump just look at some of the studies which show there is a clear agenda against him.
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Trump decimated 90% of their forces
The verb "decimate" being used (almost) correctly, for once.

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I think the defeat of IS did seem to be under-reported, Trump decimated 90% of their forces after years of trying under Obama - just like he said he would.
IS was on the brink of defeat after years of onslaught under Obama. Trump came in at the opportune moment of the coup de grace -- if indeed IS is in fact finished, only time will tell.

Do you genuinely believe that Trump swept in on his white charger (to save pain from his heel spurs), planned, orchestrated and executed a stunningly brilliant strategy to reverse the advance of IS and obliterate the organisation -- all in six months? That must have been one hell of an army school for delinquent children that he went to as a teenager.

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...if you want proof of the media bias against Trump just look at some of the studies which show there is a clear bias against him.
You don't think that maybe the media is biased against Trump in much the same way as it is against any incompetent, racist, misogynist, obnoxious twat?
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I think the defeat of IS did seem to be under-reported, Trump decimated 90% of their forces after years of trying under Obama - just like he said he would.

But that's just my speculation and I can't prove that, yet if you want proof of the media bias against Trump just look at some of the studies which show there is a clear bias against him.
Did Trump do this, or did it just happen on his watch?

Would you like to also claim that the Magnolia blossoms in Washington are Trump's doing?

He's a president, not some omnipotent being. If you want to give him ownership for every good thing that happens on his watch, then that's your choice. How is this different from seeing him as completely evil?
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You don't think that maybe the media is biased against Trump in much the same way as it is against any incompetent, racist, misogynist, obnoxious twat?
It's a loaded question; there are large swathes of Americans who simply don't view him the same way as you do, as I previously posted his approval is around 40% and I’m just surprised that their opinion is not reflected more in the mainstream media.
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I think the defeat of IS did seem to be under-reported, Trump decimated 90% of their forces after years of trying under Obama - just like he said he would.

But that's just my speculation and I can't prove that, yet if you want proof of the media bias against Trump just look at some of the studies which show there is a clear agenda against him.
At least Fox News are being nice to Trump! They are studiously ignoring his marital infidelities with adult film actresses. And it's not as if they do not love reporting that kind of stuff the rest of the time.

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/21/171441...els-porn-trump
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I think the defeat of IS did seem to be under-reported, Trump decimated 90% of their forces after years of trying under Obama - just like he said he would.

Depends what news you are into I suppose. BBC Newsnight did a piece on it ages ago, and I remember there was a Panorama documentary, too. While they didn't attribute it "90%" to Trump , they covered the forces involved and how it got to that point.

Personally, I'd favour seeing as little airtime given to IS as possible. It's a group that thrives on the oxygen of publicity. A by-line mention that they've been crushed off the face of the earth is probably enough, but I admit that doesn't shift newspapers or garner clicks and shares.

I think you are giving far too much credit to Trump, to be fair. As others have pointed out, it's just luck that IS has crashed on Trump's watch after a lengthy, multi-national military campaign.
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At least Fox News are being nice to Trump! They are studiously ignoring his marital infidelities with adult film actresses. And it's not as if they do not love reporting that kind of stuff the rest of the time.

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/21/171441...els-porn-trump
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It's a loaded question; there are large swathes of Americans who simply don't view him the same way as you do, as I previously posted his approval is around 40% and I’m just surprised that their opinion is not reflected more in the mainstream media.
Do you realise that 40% is "not very good", to say the least?

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president since these surveys began in the late 1930s. Here are some of the lowlights:

- Trump's highest approval rating has been 47% (and that was in a Rasmussen survey which placed him several points higher than other contemporaneous surveys). This is the lowest maximum of all presidents ever surveyed. No other president has had a highest approval rating of less than 66%.
-Trump's low point so far was 33% approval. That's not the worst of all presidents, but he's only had 14 months to work on destroying his credibility. Let's see how that looks after a full term.
- Trump has by far the lowest difference between highest and lowest approval ratings, meaning that he just can't climb off the floor. His difference is 13 points.
- Trump's average approval rating is 38.4%. That's appallingly low (and of course, the lowest of all presidents ever surveyed). Even Truman managed 45.4%.

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Overall, Trump is reviled by Americans. It's not surprising that the mainstream media, which reflects popular thinking, reports in a manner consistent with the attitude of the people.

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Do you realise that 40% is "not very good", to say the least?

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president since these surveys began in the last 1930s. Here are some of the lowlights:

- Trump's highest approval rating has been 47% (and that was in a Rasmussen survey which placed him several points higher than other contemporaneous surveys). This is the lowest maximum of all presidents ever surveyed. No other president has had a highest approval rating of less than 66%.
-Trump's low point so far was 33% approval. That's not the worst of all presidents, but he's only had 14 months to work on destroying his credibility. Let's see how that looks after a full term.
- Trump has by far the lowest difference between highest and lowest approval ratings, meaning that he just can't climb off the floor. His difference is 13 points.
- Trump's average approval rating is 38.4%. That's appallingly low (and of course, the lowest of all presidents ever surveyed). Even Truman managed 45.4%.

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Overall, Trump is reviled by Americans. It's not surprising that the mainstream media, which reflects popular thinking, reports in a manner consistent with the attitude of the people.
Just don't act too surprised if he wins a second term!
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A slightly different way to view Trump

From a new Quinnipiac University poll, fifty percent of those polled said they are embarrassed to have Trump as president, while 30 percent of respondents said he makes them proud.

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Trump got a lot of Brownie points for N. Korea; "Voters approve 66 - 24 percent of President Trump's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un."

Although strangely over two weeks after Trump announced this meeting the N. Koreans have yet to confirm there will be a meeting, or even to confirm they sent an invitation.
If you remember, Trump met with a group of South Koreans who claimed Kim wanted a meeting!

The usual protocol between heads of state is one sends a written invitation with a draft agenda, then there is some agenda negotiation and finally a written acceptance.

For this meeting there is no agenda published so maybe they will simply discuss golf?
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Just don't act too surprised if he wins a second term!
With the Russians and the Evangelicals behind him, how could he lose!
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And another one goes.

"US President Donald Trump's lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 election has resigned, US media report.

John Dowd is reported to have concluded that Mr Trump was increasingly ignoring his advice.

Other reports say Mr Trump had lost confidence in Mr Dowd's ability to handle special counsel Robert Mueller."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43506098
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And another one goes.

"US President Donald Trump's lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 election has resigned, US media report.

John Dowd is reported to have concluded that Mr Trump was increasingly ignoring his advice.

Other reports say Mr Trump had lost confidence in Mr Dowd's ability to handle special counsel Robert Mueller."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43506098
I believe the both versions, anyway it was clear that Dowd was against Trump attacking Mueller in tweets and Trump had unrealistic expectations that his lawyers could make it all go awy.
If I remember correctly he is the second lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation to leave/be fired or whatever.

Dowd was also the main contact with Mueller's team, such relationships take time to build
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It is playground time!

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Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. He doesn’t know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. Don’t threaten people Joe!
Here we have two draft dodgers who both got five draft deferments telling us how tough they are.
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